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Not in on the rules but just wondered are all Foot BG ie ones with Pike/shot are made up of 6 shot to 2 pike looking at an Early TYR around about 1620 ish.

david53 wrote:Not in on the rules but just wondered are all Foot BG ie ones with Pike/shot are made up of 6 shot to 2 pike looking at an Early TYR around about 1620 ish.

Well none are 6 shot and 2 pike

Most pike and shot BGs at the date you're looking at will be either 6 shot and 3 pike, or 4 shot and 2 pike.

nikgaukroger wrote:

david53 wrote:Not in on the rules but just wondered are all Foot BG ie ones with Pike/shot are made up of 6 shot to 2 pike looking at an Early TYR around about 1620 ish.

Well none are 6 shot and 2 pike

Most pike and shot BGs at the date you're looking at will be either 6 shot and 3 pike, or 4 shot and 2 pike.

Sorry Nic my mistake it should be of course 4 shot to pike

david53 wrote:

nikgaukroger wrote:

david53 wrote:Not in on the rules but just wondered are all Foot BG ie ones with Pike/shot are made up of 6 shot to 2 pike looking at an Early TYR around about 1620 ish.

Well none are 6 shot and 2 pike

Most pike and shot BGs at the date you're looking at will be either 6 shot and 3 pike, or 4 shot and 2 pike.

Sorry Nic my mistake it should be of course 4 shot to pike

Just to elaborate, the 6 shot + 3 pike BGs are Later Tercios - forming up 3 bases deep. The lists govern whether these are permitted. In the time frame you are looking at, they had started to be replaced by smaller, shallower formations, represented by 4 shot and 2 pikes.

Early TYW Protestant armies can have both. Early TYW Catholic armies can have Later Tercios (and some Early Tercios which - in this list - have 6 shot and 6 pikes. )

From 1632 Protestants and Catholics share a joint list, with all the pike and shot BGs having 4 shot and 2 pikes.

rbodleyscott wrote:

david53 wrote:

nikgaukroger wrote: Well none are 6 shot and 2 pike

Most pike and shot BGs at the date you're looking at will be either 6 shot and 3 pike, or 4 shot and 2 pike.

Sorry Nic my mistake it should be of course 4 shot to pike

Just to elaborate, the 6 shot + 3 pike BGs are Later Tercios - forming up 3 bases deep. The lists govern whether these are permitted. In the time frame you are looking at, they had started to be replaced by smaller, shallower formations, represented by 4 shot and 2 pikes.

Early TYW Protestant armies can have both. Early TYW Catholic armies can have Later Tercios (and some Early Tercios which - in this list - have 6 shot and 6 pikes. )

From 1632 Protestants and Catholics share a joint list, with all the pike and shot BGs having 4 shot and 2 pikes.

Thank you for that just another question as I'm stuck on the early protestant army can they have a BG of 4 bases of dragoons

david53 wrote:as I'm stuck on the early protestant army can they have a BG of 4 bases of dragoons

Yes. Or two BGs of 3.

rbodleyscott wrote:

david53 wrote:as I'm stuck on the early protestant army can they have a BG of 4 bases of dragoons

Yes. Or two BGs of 3.

Thanks am looking forward to getting the rules hope you don't mind me asking some more questions later on, thanks for answering so quickly.

david53 wrote:hope you don't mind me asking some more questions later on.

Not at all.