Slitherine

I have a big box with a small 25mm plastic ECW army, but have never done anything in this period before, so am having difficulties envisaging this as an army. I have seen some other posts about basing 15mm and have seen the Dbr basing page and believe that the frotage should be 60mm. It looks to me that infantry bases should be 30mm deep with 3 figures. Cav looks like being 40mm deep and Dbr seems to make it 2 figures to a base. That would save on a lot of painting, but may not look great. Does this seem right.

Also would a small army of say 6 BG's of pike & shot foot; 2BG's of cav; 1BG of dragoons; 1BG of artillery; be reasonable similar to the 650 point FOG army. This would suit me much better as I need to build 2 armies from scratch and painting takes me forever.

Thanks

will05 wrote:I have a big box with a small 25mm plastic ECW army, but have never done anything in this period before, so am having difficulties envisaging this as an army. I have seen some other posts about basing 15mm and have seen the Dbr basing page and believe that the frotage should be 60mm. It looks to me that infantry bases should be 30mm deep with 3 figures. Cav looks like being 40mm deep and Dbr seems to make it 2 figures to a base. That would save on a lot of painting, but may not look great. Does this seem right.

Official basing as follws - sorry the table formatting is lost:

BASE SIZES
Troop Type Figures per base: 15mm [25/28mm] Depth of base: 15mm [25/28mm]
Heavy foot. Determined foot with pike 4 20mm* [30mm]
Medium foot. Other determined foot. Warriors. 3 or 4 [3] 20mm [30mm]
Light foot 2 [or 1] 20mm [30mm]
Mob 5-8 30mm [40mm]
Cavalry 3 [or 2] 30mm [40mm]
Light horse 2 [or 1] 30mm [40mm]
Camelry 3 [or 2] 30mm [40mm]
Gendarmes and cavaliers 3 [or 2] 30mm [40mm]
Horse and determined horse 3 or 4 [3] 30mm [40mm]
Dragoons 4 or 5** 40mm [60mm]
Elephants 1*** 40mm [80mm]
Artillery 1 or 2*** 40mm [80mm]
Limber markers 2-4**** 40mm [60mm]
Regimental gun marker 1*** 20-25mm [30-40mm]
Battle wagons 1*** 80mm [120mm]
Commander As required 40mm [60mm] or less
Fortifications or portable defences Models of the defences 15-20mm [20-30mm]
Supply camp This will be a selection of tents, wagons etc. It is a rectangle 120mm [180mm] by 80mm [160mm]. It can be fortified if allowed in the army list.
* players may prefer to use 15mm [20mm] depth. This is acceptable but the game must be played so that no advantage or disadvantage accrues from using shallower bases and the rules are to be interpreted accordingly.

** this is the number of dismounted dragoon figures including horseholder recommended. The base should include one or two mounts as well.

*** the numbers given are for elephants, guns or wagons. Crew figures are additional.

**** the numbers given are for draught horses or similar.

Also would a small army of say 6 BG's of pike & shot foot; 2BG's of cav; 1BG of dragoons; 1BG of artillery; be reasonable similar to the 650 point FOG army. This would suit me much better as I need to build 2 armies from scratch and painting takes me forever.

Here is a Later English civil war 600 point starter army as an example:

Later English Civil War Royalist (1644) starter army
Commander-in-Chief 1 Field Commander
Sub-Commanders 2 2 x Troop Commander
Horse 2 BGs Each comprising 4 bases of horse: Superior, Armoured, Cavaliers – Impact Pistol, Melee Pistol
Horse 2 BGs Each comprising 4 bases of horse: Average, Unarmoured, Cavaliers – Impact Pistol, Melee Pistol
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket
Foot 2 BGs Each comprising 6 bases of foot: 2 Average, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket
Firelocks 1 BG 4 bases of firelocks: Superior, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket
Commanded shot 2 BGs Each comprising 2 bases of commanded shot: Average, Unarmoured Medium Foot – Musket
Dragoons 1 BG 3 bases of dragoons: Average, Unarmoured, Dragoons – Musket
Camp 1 Unfortified camp
Total 11 BGs Camp, 16 mounted bases, 29 foot bases, 3 commanders

Thanks for that, it's been very helpful. The stuff that I have will nearly make that army. I need some Dragoons. I was about to make a New Model Army, because there is (i think) one measley picture of it on the front of the box. But I need two armies and the later Royalist fits so i decided to go with that one for now. The rules will be published before I finish it I would imagine, but I'll be half way there.

I have a few questions about appearance:
1 Presumably the cavaliers should be armed with pistols. Should they have swords too?
2 Should royalist armoured cavaliers have lobster pot helmets or are they just for the parliamentarians?
3 Do the commanded shot look different to the other shot?
4 What colours Should I paint the units? I thought the superior foot could be blue jacket & trousers, the other two could be dark red jacket & trousers and white jacket with grey or brown trousers. For the firelocks I saw a nice green outfit on the Warlord games website. Do these seem OK and whatcolours could the cavalry and commanded shot be?

Thanks for all the help, because I really had no idea where to go with this, but now I can go on and get an army done.

Wil

rbodleyscott wrote:[
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket

Superior and Average in the same BG? Interesting.

rbodleyscott wrote:[
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket

Superior and Average in the same BG? Interesting.

will05 wrote:Thanks for that, it's been very helpful. The stuff that I have will nearly make that army. I need some Dragoons. I was about to make a New Model Army, because there is (i think) one measley picture of it on the front of the box. But I need two armies and the later Royalist fits so i decided to go with that one for now. The rules will be published before I finish it I would imagine, but I'll be half way there.

I have a few questions about appearance:
1 Presumably the cavaliers should be armed with pistols. Should they have swords too?

All cavalry of the period carried swords - the capabilities listed for troops in FoG are not a list of weapons carried, but a game classification of fighting style (sort of) used to evaluate the relative PoAs.

2 Should royalist armoured cavaliers have lobster pot helmets or are they just for the parliamentarians?

The 3 barred "lobster pot" was very much an English thing - however, as the Royalists received a lot of their kit from overseas the single barred "Dutch pot" is more suitable for them (of course equipment was very varied at the time, so ...)

3 Do the commanded shot look different to the other shot?

No.

4 What colours Should I paint the units? I thought the superior foot could be blue jacket & trousers, the other two could be dark red jacket & trousers and white jacket with grey or brown trousers. For the firelocks I saw a nice green outfit on the Warlord games website. Do these seem OK and whatcolours could the cavalry and commanded shot be?

Try looking here - http://www.baccus6mm.com/index.php?cont ... tguide_ecw - as a good starting point.

LambertSimnel wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:[
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket

Superior and Average in the same BG? Interesting.

A mistake - can't happen.

Thanks Nik

nikgaukroger wrote:

LambertSimnel wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:[
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket

Superior and Average in the same BG? Interesting.

A mistake - can't happen.

Mistakes can happen, didn't you just see me double posting?

LambertSimnel wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:[
Foot 1 BG 6 bases of foot: 2 Superior, Unarmoured, Heavy Foot – Pike; and 4 Average, Unarmoured, Medium Foot – Musket

Superior and Average in the same BG? Interesting.

An error. Damn, and I proof read the book again on the weekend and missed that. Hopefully I can still catch it before it goes out.

Hold on Richard, I thought it was Hammy's job to proof read the army lists and miss the errors... :)

timmy1 wrote:Hold on Richard, I thought it was Hammy's job to proof read the army lists and miss the errors...

Sadly not, in FOGR I will no doubt get the blame.

If I am mounting a artilery piece 15mm on a 40 by 40 base are the artillery crew added to the base or seperate?

Dave

david53 wrote:If I am mounting a artilery piece 15mm on a 40 by 40 base are the artillery crew added to the base or seperate?

Dave

On the base.

nikgaukroger wrote:

david53 wrote:If I am mounting a artilery piece 15mm on a 40 by 40 base are the artillery crew added to the base or seperate?

Dave

On the base.

Thanks for that

Dave

Another quick question sorry but the artillery limbers are they based on a 40mm by 40mm base just want to get it right before sticking it on.

Dave

everything is 60mm wide except camp.
If you have to you can go deeper to make the "Big" 28mm figs fit. My Wargames Factory Romans are on a Medium infantry base to fit 4 to a base. Just make sure you opponent knows before dice start flying.

Friend used them in a tourny without a problem. I drove my Samurai and had to fight my own figures

irondog068 wrote:everything is 60mm wide except camp.
If you have to you can go deeper to make the "Big" 28mm figs fit. My Wargames Factory Romans are on a Medium infantry base to fit 4 to a base. Just make sure you opponent knows before dice start flying.

Friend used them in a tourny without a problem. I drove my Samurai and had to fight my own figures

Have you posted this on the wrong thread or is my 15mm artillery limbers on the wrong base size(ie 40mm by 40mm)

Thanks for the base sizes posted above, but these all appear to be info on base depths. Can I assume that the base widths stay a constant 40mm as in FoG-AM?

George

Hi,

I am currently re-basing my Principles of War 15mm Imperialist and Swedish 30YW. I will have 6 Imperialist infantry tercios (3 pike & 6 shot) and 6 Swedish brigades (2 pike & 4 shot) ready for use. Looking at the Wargames Illustrated article there are single figures behind each musket block (officers/ sergeants?) and would like to know if they are necessary (I presume they are) and if they are what figures (officers/ sergeants?) and what basing sizes should be used. I'm not asking for their function in the game - although that would be nice - but would like to have both armies complete and ready for the September release which would mean buying and painting these figures.

I am really looking forward to these rules as we've been lacking a dominant and decent renaissance ruleset for what seems like decades.

Thanks, Kevin.