Slitherine

Hi foggers,

if a BG of LF is in the position to charge the back of a mixed Bg whose first and second rank are HF and the third rank is made of LF in support. can he do it? against whom will it fight? and does it causes the charged BG loose one level of cohesion?

ur sincerelly

domblas wrote:Hi foggers,

if a BG of LF is in the position to charge the back of a mixed Bg whose first and second rank are HF and the third rank is made of LF in support. can he do it? against whom will it fight? and does it causes the charged BG loose one level of cohesion?

ur sincerelly

I believe that the LF cannot make the charge. See p.60 (LF cannot charge unbroken non-skirmishers) and p.18 (defining skirmishers as being entirely of LF or LH).

Marc

babyshark wrote:

domblas wrote:Hi foggers,

if a BG of LF is in the position to charge the back of a mixed Bg whose first and second rank are HF and the third rank is made of LF in support. can he do it? against whom will it fight? and does it causes the charged BG loose one level of cohesion?

ur sincerelly

I believe that the LF cannot make the charge. See p.60 (LF cannot charge unbroken non-skirmishers) and p.18 (defining skirmishers as being entirely of LF or LH).

Marc

Seems strange that cause an enemy BG of two front ranks armoured and one rank LF if you shoot at the rear rank they count as LF ie 4's to hit not 5's so you'd think it would be at least counted as LF if charged. But I'm sure your right.

I have to agree, the last rank might be LF but the unit as whole is not, so can't be charged by LF in the open.
Personally I never thought you could charge such a unit with lights anyway since it is not a light target unit.

david53 wrote:Seems strange that cause an enemy BG of two front ranks armoured and one rank LF if you shoot at the rear rank they count as LF ie 4's to hit not 5's so you'd think it would be at least counted as LF if charged. But I'm sure your right.

They still count as LF but they are not skirmishers. There is a subtle difference.

If a mixed BG is not in good going and is charged in the back by light foot then the light foot will fight at full effectivenes because they are fighting more light foot.

If BG of light horse charges the rear rank of a mixed formation the light horse fight at full dice (LH vs LF) and the light foot in the mixed formation only get half dice (LF vs LH) but should the non LF bases turn to fight the LH then these bases will fight at full effect.

hammy wrote:

david53 wrote:Seems strange that cause an enemy BG of two front ranks armoured and one rank LF if you shoot at the rear rank they count as LF ie 4's to hit not 5's so you'd think it would be at least counted as LF if charged. But I'm sure your right.

They still count as LF but they are not skirmishers. There is a subtle difference.

If a mixed BG is not in good going and is charged in the back by light foot then the light foot will fight at full effectivenes because they are fighting more light foot.

If BG of light horse charges the rear rank of a mixed formation the light horse fight at full dice (LH vs LF) and the light foot in the mixed formation only get half dice (LF vs LH) but should the non LF bases turn to fight the LH then these bases will fight at full effect.

If the LF are fighting the LH how do the non lights get into the fight.

When the LF die or as an overlap?

petedalby wrote:When the LF die or as an overlap?

Or most likely as the second rank......

hammy wrote:

petedalby wrote:When the LF die or as an overlap?

Or most likely as the second rank......

So should the LF lose more than likely they have to pass a CT as a whole BG with a good chance of dropping the whole BG down a leval.

the curse of the mixed battle group

If a LF dies at the back of the BG that is fighting to its rear the next rank up is heavier foot so not so good for the LH

You can, of course, reform the whole BG to face the rear in the movement phase, assuming it's not in combat to its front. As Hammy says, the second rank could then fight, and you could then match any overlap, for example.