Slitherine

So another tournament, two wins, but another two draws herding cats, sorry, light horse.

You know, it's nice skirmishing armies work, but it's really getting very very tedious you can't beat them. Any suggestions before I give up and join the dark side of using massed light horse?

peterrjohnston wrote:So another tournament, two wins, but another two draws herding cats, sorry, light horse.

You know, it's nice skirmishing armies work, but it's really getting very very tedious you can't beat them. Any suggestions before I give up and join the dark side of using massed light horse?

Medium foot seem nice IIRC, Hammy has many ways of doing that I still think a lot of them involves Cavalry/Medium foot.

peterrjohnston wrote:So another tournament, two wins, but another two draws herding cats, sorry, light horse.

You know, it's nice skirmishing armies work, but it's really getting very very tedious you can't beat them. Any suggestions before I give up and join the dark side of using massed light horse?

Which army were you using and which army were you playing against, just to be nosey which event?

Abbasid with 7BG of lancers.

PlayFiera in Modena, Italy.

peterrjohnston wrote: it's nice skirmishing armies work, but it's really getting very very tedious you can't beat them. Any suggestions before I give up and join the dark side of using massed light horse?

Noooo padawan, dont join the dark side!
Just for one reason: it's annoying!!

You might give light spear cavalry a go Peter - they don't do daft charges so can use their restricted area to herd the LH nicely. And they're fast enough that if the enemy has lots of skirmishers they can easily run out of room.

Thought about EAP, but it's not an army that appeals to me historically.

Kemmler wrote: Noooo padawan, dont join the dark side!
Just for one reason: it's annoying!!

I know

Drilled med foot bow can be the bane of LH armies.

Too bad they're very limited in other uses.

Too bad LB are so last season.

Classical Indian?
Christian Nubia?

Madcam

Don't know if just picking an army to deal with the odd LH army you might meet is the answer. What happens if you plan for a LH take that army that can deal with it to the event and all you face is Heavy foot or Longbow. If it were to become a fashion to plan to take an anti LH army would'nt that army just become as anonying as a LH army? I just take an army that I like and one that I find interesting historicaly unless its a themed event you can't plan for all armies you'll face this weekend I faced a Jin,Swiss Pike,Catalan and Ottoman Turk armies all mixes from Pikes Medium Offensive Spear to LH and Cavalry Shooty types.

Translation - "please don't everybody start taking armies optimised to deal with my army" ;P

Lydian are exceptionally useful for dealing with Light Horse armies.

They have armoured drilled O/S, which can go 24 bases wide (with four eights), they also have Superior, Armoured, Drilled, Lt Spear Cavalry, which in conjunction with Light Horse JLS are exceptionally effective at dealing with Light Horse when charged by both at close range.

You also get masses of good quality LF, so you can exploit any difficult going that there is on the table or offer an ablative shield.

I have massacred many a LH horde with these lads.

Early Libyans, you know it makes sense

ShrubMiK wrote:Translation - "please don't everybody start taking armies optimised to deal with my army" ;P

Don't care what people take TBH LH/Hy Foot its a game. I took a so called proper army this weekend with Knights and Light Horse and came 3rd but what does that prove that I hid behind my LH

hammy wrote:Early Libyans, you know it makes sense

I still fear them coming back

dave_r wrote:Lydian are exceptionally useful for dealing with Light Horse armies.

They have armoured drilled O/S, which can go 24 bases wide (with four eights), they also have Superior, Armoured, Drilled, Lt Spear Cavalry, which in conjunction with Light Horse JLS are exceptionally effective at dealing with Light Horse when charged by both at close range.

You also get masses of good quality LF, so you can exploit any difficult going that there is on the table or offer an ablative shield.

I have massacred many a LH horde with these lads.

Yes agree with that - I found Merovingians did well against them - HF warband and light spear cav and LH in volumes

dave_r wrote:Lydian are exceptionally useful for dealing with Light Horse armies.

They have armoured drilled O/S, which can go 24 bases wide (with four eights), they also have Superior, Armoured, Drilled, Lt Spear Cavalry, which in conjunction with Light Horse JLS are exceptionally effective at dealing with Light Horse when charged by both at close range.

You also get masses of good quality LF, so you can exploit any difficult going that there is on the table or offer an ablative shield.

I have massacred many a LH horde with these lads.

But would you take them hoping to face LH no they are a strong army anyhow. But if you take armies specially to be used against one army when you fight something elese you will suffer.

david53 wrote:

dave_r wrote:Lydian are exceptionally useful for dealing with Light Horse armies.
They have armoured drilled O/S, which can go 24 bases wide (with four eights), they also have Superior, Armoured, Drilled, Lt Spear Cavalry, which in conjunction with Light Horse JLS are exceptionally effective at dealing with Light Horse when charged by both at close range.
You also get masses of good quality LF, so you can exploit any difficult going that there is on the table or offer an ablative shield.
I have massacred many a LH horde with these lads.

But would you take them hoping to face LH no they are a strong army anyhow. But if you take armies specially to be used against one army when you fight something elese you will suffer.

Being one-dimensional is boring, and being anti-one-dimensional is also boring (and more risky) !

However being able to deal with (as in at least not lose to) lots of LH is now definitely part of the criteria for an army being a "good" all-round competition army - along with being able to beat other stuff too. And there aren't too many that fit the bill. Lydians may be one such army ..

Any suggestions before I give up and join the dark side of using massed light horse?

That's two boring games playing tag with LH - not the most fun you could have but bear in mind if you go over to the dark side you'll get four boring games playing tag.

It seems to me players are beginning to work out that with a lot of armies there's no need to fight LH unless they can win. This should mean most LH armies end up below mid table and so start to disappear from comps. I bet next year we'll be wondering what happened to all the LH...

Dave Allen.

PS Peter, I'll send those measuring sets this week

daveallen wrote: PS Peter, I'll send those measuring sets this week

Funny you should mention that, I was just wondering about them earlier this evening!