Slitherine

how do people rate this list ( those already with lost scrolls )

small number of knights, various cavalry, lots of handgunners and reasonable foot (includeing veleuren haufe..Medium or heavy foot, armoured, sup drilled heavy weapon in 4-8 size bg) war-wagons, free cantons (mf off spear)
looks a nice mix to me, possibly better than the imperial german.
do others see potential here or am i seeing more than there is?

Ben

At first glance I rather like it. I haven't spent much time trying to sort out whether the various pieces come together as a whole, but it looks like it will be better than the "regular" medieval German list.

Marc

came up with this as a possible
4 x TC
6 x drilled, ptd, ave MF crossbow
8 x HF ptd, dld, Ave Pikemen
8 x HF ptd Dld Ave, Pikemen
8 x HF ptd Dld Ave Pikemen
8 x Hf Arm Dld, Ave Heavy weapon
8 x Hf Arm Dld Ave Heavy weapon
4 x Lf ptd, Dld Ave Firearm
6 x lf unp Dld Ave Crossbow
4 x Cav Arm Ave Dld Lancer, swordsmen
4 x Cav Arm Ave Dld Firearm , swordsmen
4 x Cav Arm Ave Dld Crossbow, swordsmen
4 x Mf Arm, Sup Dld, Heavy weapon
4 x Mf Arm Sup Dld , Heavy weapon

I have been building a Later Medieval German army, but I am liking the German City Leagues, and I am liking the Later Feudal Medieval Germans as well.

Should have my copy in a week or two.

Got my copy today. I'm going to need way more spearmen. I think I'll put some of my crossbows behind pavises as protected undrilled.

I would try to drop all Cv to max-out armoured infantry...

Moro wrote:I would try to drop all Cv to max-out armoured infantry...

That might work if you want to passively wait for the enemy to come to you, but if you want to be aggressive you will find that even 2 or 3 BG's of LF can delay you to hell and back without the Cv.

unfortunately, that is sadly true...

Even without the cav one can buy a bunch of LF protected firearm for skirmishing duties. I have the notion in my head that these will be very useful BGs. They can be bought in 4s for bulk (probably take them as unprotected in that instance) or 6s for driving off enemy LF.

Marc

babyshark wrote:Even without the cav one can buy a bunch of LF protected firearm for skirmishing duties. I have the notion in my head that these will be very useful BGs. They can be bought in 4s for bulk (probably take them as unprotected in that instance) or 6s for driving off enemy LF.

Marc

I would tend to take the LF fiream as protected, so that they cheaply have the ability to threaten much enemy LF with a charge. They'd be in 4s to 'fit' into smaller places and try to extend around/behind enemy BGs to restrict evades/break-offs.

fgilson wrote:I would tend to take the LF fiream as protected, so that they cheaply have the ability to threaten much enemy LF with a charge. They'd be in 4s to 'fit' into smaller places and try to extend around/behind enemy BGs to restrict evades/break-offs.

Charging enemy LF is a very risky strategy. As the handgunners are in 4s, you would need to charge with 2 BGs, so would lose 4 attrition points if it all goes horribly wrong - as well it might.

couldn't go any worse wrong than the swiss vs Nik last Wednesday did!

city states just get more stuff so should take longer to die

rbodleyscott wrote:

fgilson wrote:I would tend to take the LF fiream as protected, so that they cheaply have the ability to threaten much enemy LF with a charge. They'd be in 4s to 'fit' into smaller places and try to extend around/behind enemy BGs to restrict evades/break-offs.

Charging enemy LF is a very risky strategy. As the handgunners are in 4s, you would need to charge with 2 BGs, so would lose 4 attrition points if it all goes horribly wrong - as well it might.

TBH if only someone would charge my 8 base BG of Jav/Light spear with a 4 base BG Firearms even if you were Protected I would stand and love it.

I ran a City League army at the York round of the Northern league today and it did OK (well joint first which is OK in my book).

My list (900 points):

4 TC
1 BG 4 superior undrilled knights
1 BG 4 average drilled lancer cavalry
1 BG 4 average drilled crossbow cavalry
1 BG 4 average drilled handgun cavalry
2 BG 4 superior drilled armoured MF heavy weapons
1 BG 8 average drilled armoured defensive spear
3 BG 8 average undrilled armoured defensive spear
1 BG 6 average drilled protected MF crossbow
1 BG 6 average undrilled protected MF crossbow
2 BG 4 average LF handgun
1 BG 6 average LF crossbow

The army worked quite well. Defensive spear were not as much of a liability as I thought they might be. Where the army I feel let me down was the 4 base BGs of average cavalry and to be honest the superior medium foot were not as effective as they could have been in either game. I will certainly consider defensive spear again, especially armoured undrilled ones.

david53 wrote:

rbodleyscott wrote:

fgilson wrote:I would tend to take the LF fiream as protected, so that they cheaply have the ability to threaten much enemy LF with a charge. They'd be in 4s to 'fit' into smaller places and try to extend around/behind enemy BGs to restrict evades/break-offs.

Charging enemy LF is a very risky strategy. As the handgunners are in 4s, you would need to charge with 2 BGs, so would lose 4 attrition points if it all goes horribly wrong - as well it might.

TBH if only someone would charge my 8 base BG of Jav/Light spear with a 4 base BG Firearms even if you were Protected I would stand and love it.

What do you do if your LF gets charged by my LF plus one of my more meatier units? I'm sure you evade. My LF are trying to charge from 1MU, giving them the best chance to catch you. If they do, your light spear is useless, and I certainly want to be Protected for the Melee phase.

This also addresses Richard's comment about the riskiness of LF combats. I want 4s of protected firearm LF because they do this combined charge very well (perhaps while in column at the end base of your unit). I don't expect the heavy foot also charging to actually ever catch your LF.

hammy wrote:I ran a City League army at the York round of the Northern league today and it did OK (well joint first which is OK in my book).

My list (900 points):

4 TC

1 BG 8 average drilled armoured defensive spear
3 BG 8 average undrilled armoured defensive spear

Defensive spear were not as much of a liability as I thought they might be. Where the army I feel let me down was the 4 base BGs of average cavalry and to be honest the superior medium foot were not as effective as they could have been in either game. I will certainly consider defensive spear again, especially armoured undrilled ones.

Given that they were a third of the army (264 pts) just how much of a liability were they? Wouldn't pike and/or offensive spear MF be more useful?