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A request or plea

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:57 pm
by pyrrhus
oops

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:39 pm
by ethan
If you posted a picture of a situation you find complex, I am sure people would give a step by step explanation.

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:08 pm
by pyrrhus
oops

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:44 pm
by hammy
There was (and presumably still is) a common misconceptions thread. It doesn't have pictures but it does cover quite a lot of common issues.

As for diagrams of specific things there are an almost infinite number of potential diagrams so it is difficult to cover all bases, so much so that any excersise in attempting to do so may end up feeling futile.

Something like a video introduction to the rules would be great but it is also a lot of work and not easy to do well.

As for the elephant question I thought the explanation was clear in the rules. You need to accept that dissorder is by individual bases but other than that I don't see that the rule on P120 is unclear.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:07 pm
by ValentinianVictor
hammy wrote:There was (and presumably still is) a common misconceptions thread. It doesn't have pictures but it does cover quite a lot of common issues.

As for diagrams of specific things there are an almost infinite number of potential diagrams so it is difficult to cover all bases, so much so that any excersise in attempting to do so may end up feeling futile.

Something like a video introduction to the rules would be great but it is also a lot of work and not easy to do well.

As for the elephant question I thought the explanation was clear in the rules. You need to accept that dissorder is by individual bases but other than that I don't see that the rule on P120 is unclear.
Actually, perhaps when FOG is reprinted the main rules could come with a DVD showing a game in progress and how to deal with tricky situations as they arise?

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:07 pm
by hammy
ValentinianVictor wrote:
hammy wrote:There was (and presumably still is) a common misconceptions thread. It doesn't have pictures but it does cover quite a lot of common issues.

As for diagrams of specific things there are an almost infinite number of potential diagrams so it is difficult to cover all bases, so much so that any excersise in attempting to do so may end up feeling futile.

Something like a video introduction to the rules would be great but it is also a lot of work and not easy to do well.

As for the elephant question I thought the explanation was clear in the rules. You need to accept that dissorder is by individual bases but other than that I don't see that the rule on P120 is unclear.
Actually, perhaps when FOG is reprinted the main rules could come with a DVD showing a game in progress and how to deal with tricky situations as they arise?
That would IMO be a really good inovation, you could include a bit of painting and other stuff as well. It would need to be done very professionally and would cost a fair chunk of money though.

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:57 pm
by ethan
hammy wrote:That would IMO be a really good inovation, you could include a bit of painting and other stuff as well. It would need to be done very professionally and would cost a fair chunk of money though.
Or some enterprising group could do it as an amateur project and just post it on YouTube. There are some pretty amazing things on youtube these days done by non-pros.

Back when I played a lot of Avalon Hill wargames, especially Squad Leader, they would often do a feature that went through a turn by turn game by two relative experts. They would give their own commentary on strategy for the scenario and how it played out. You could just about put counters on teh board and follow the game.

I expect this is a lot of work, but it might be really useful for people learning the game and getting an grasp on how experienced players think about it.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:32 pm
by ValentinianVictor
ethan wrote:
hammy wrote:That would IMO be a really good inovation, you could include a bit of painting and other stuff as well. It would need to be done very professionally and would cost a fair chunk of money though.
Or some enterprising group could do it as an amateur project and just post it on YouTube. There are some pretty amazing things on youtube these days done by non-pros.

Back when I played a lot of Avalon Hill wargames, especially Squad Leader, they would often do a feature that went through a turn by turn game by two relative experts. They would give their own commentary on strategy for the scenario and how it played out. You could just about put counters on teh board and follow the game.

I expect this is a lot of work, but it might be really useful for people learning the game and getting an grasp on how experienced players think about it.
Actually, Wizards of the Coast did a 'Magic the Gathering, Basic Edition' pack that had a DVD with it showing how a game was played over a number of turns. It was very well made, was very interesting and informative. It did not appear to have cost too much money to have made and was probably a wise investment anyway, showing people how to play the game probably increased their interest in remaining with it.

oops

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:02 pm
by pyrrhus
Sorry I was trying to repost this when I noticed that people responded . I agree a dvd would be great and speed/lessen the learning curve GOTCH YA effect of playing the game as a newbie vs Vets . Now how do I get my DVD to run at the tourney hall :lol: MP3 download ?