Slitherine

Apologies if covered somewhere before but please tell me are mounted disordered by elephant generals? The rules say elephants cause disorder not specifically BG's of elephants, so I assume they are?

Richard

richafricanus wrote:Apologies if covered somewhere before but please tell me are mounted disordered by elephant generals? The rules say elephants cause disorder not specifically BG's of elephants, so I assume they are?

Richard

IIRC the answer is no only BG's of elephants cause disorder, generals with elephants don't count.

I'll second that Dave.

Commander bases are not battle groups in their own right.

Rob

A genreral mounted on an elephant is for show purposes only, He could be just as easily mounted on a golden throne carried by naked female pall bearers and enemy foot would not be disordered for gawking either.
Does not matter what he is riding a general does not affect enemy troops.

deadtorius wrote:He could be just as easily mounted on a golden throne carried by naked female pall bearers and enemy foot would not be disordered for gawking either.

I think I'd ask the writers to give the gawkers a minus 2 for any CT/CMT while the naked pall bearers were around?

I might go with the naked pall bearers but I've yet to find a list that allows that

However some lists do specify general must be on an elephant. And the wording in the rules definitely does not specify BG's of elephants causing disorder, merely elephants. And surely AN elephant will disorder cavalry, etc that come in range of it?

We played it that the generals did not cause disorder because we're a nice bunch of chaps but we're playing a tournament in December where others may not be so nice so it would be good to get clarity.

david53 wrote:

deadtorius wrote:He could be just as easily mounted on a golden throne carried by naked female pall bearers and enemy foot would not be disordered for gawking either.

I think I'd ask the writers to give the gawkers a minus 2 for any CT/CMT while the naked pall bearers were around?

Except the Theban sacred band of course.

Scrumpy wrote:

david53 wrote:

deadtorius wrote:He could be just as easily mounted on a golden throne carried by naked female pall bearers and enemy foot would not be disordered for gawking either.

I think I'd ask the writers to give the gawkers a minus 2 for any CT/CMT while the naked pall bearers were around?

Except the Theban sacred band of course.

ahaha...you now get the award for most humourous posting ever...slightly subtle...very true...

Takes a bow

As stated before general figures just mark where they and their staff are located on the table, they don't actually represent a battlegroup and being on an elephant does not disorder mounted troops, its merely representative. Really have to find a naked pallbearer army in the army books somewhere.....

I suspect some unwarrantedly optimistic assumptions are being made about the age and sturdiness of the females chosen to serve as bearers (vs. those in service as passengers).

Hmmm...presumably anybody who thinks an elephant-depicted general should cause disorder is prepared to voluntarily a) pay extra points for the added capability, and b) restrict movement of the general to elephant speed?

I think the key word is "depicted" - that implies looks like but does not act like.

richafricanus wrote:Apologies if covered somewhere before but please tell me are mounted disordered by elephant generals? The rules say elephants cause disorder not specifically BG's of elephants, so I assume they are?

Richard

If so I am rebasing all of medieval hungarian generals on elephants - after all the notes in the list only specify that they SHOULD be represented as knights so theres nothing preventing elephant generals in any list.

This would be the impact if your assumtion were true.

Fopr that matter I'd also base all of my generals as mounted (even the spartans) so that they could give a -POA vs MF in the open... and so on.

richafricanus wrote:Apologies if covered somewhere before but please tell me are mounted disordered by elephant generals? The rules say elephants cause disorder not specifically BG's of elephants, so I assume they are?

Check out the last bullet in the elephants section:

 None of the above applies to commanders depicted as camelry or on elephants.

(Not sure what happened with the

"Paris in the
the Spring"

moment)

richafricanus wrote: However some lists do specify general must be on an elephant. And the wording in the rules definitely does not specify BG's of elephants causing disorder, merely elephants. And surely AN elephant will disorder cavalry, etc that come in range of it?

Yes, but it IS specified somewhere that Generals on Elephants/Camels do not cause disorder.

richafricanus wrote:We played it that the generals did not cause disorder because we're a nice bunch of chaps...

So things have changed since your visit to Australia?

Ian