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How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2025 6:47 pm
by smashtheaxis
I have a problem with this scenario. I took all the enemy supply points, and was hoping that would already archive the encirclement / cut all their units off. But it didn't.
What else do I need to take? From the initial start point, I went south, took the two river crossings, but stopped there. Then went east, took the city in the north east, and went south to take Sumy and Poltova. The aux troops in the south took the eastern river crossing, the ones in the south west, I kept at save distance from Kiev.
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:17 pm
by PoorOldSpike
Where is it? Is it a scenario somewhere?
I'd like to have a crack at it..
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:21 pm
by Tassadar
See this for example some user posted on Steam:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2049117521
The key here is not the supply points really but getting zone of control around as many units as you can. As you can see form the screen that player did not even take Sumy, he just made sure that all the terrain is under ZOC wall, including supply from map edges in the west.
PoorOldSpike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:17 pm
Where is it? Is it a scenario somewhere?
I'd like to have a crack at it..
One possible path in the base campaign.
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:29 pm
by smashtheaxis
Tassadar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:21 pm
See this for example some user posted on Steam:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2049117521
The key here is not the supply points really but getting zone of control around as many units as you can. As you can see form the screen that player did not even take Sumy, he just made sure that all the terrain is under ZOC wall, including supply from map edges in the west.
Thanks for the replies!
Yes, I tried to do it like this. But somehow it did now work until my units were only a couple of hex fields east of Kiev, i.e. almost in the city. This large encirclement like on the screenshot does not work for me. I am pretty. sure I did not leave any holes in my encirclement. Blocked all the bridges of the major rivers, encircled west of Kiev, then had a line of units close everyhing off in the eastern part of the map.
So I am wondering if maybe an update in the last couple of years changed the rules to make this large encirclement impossible? The screenshot is from 2020, as are the Youtube videos I found. Hmm.
Or maybe I need a special leader attribute for this to work?
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 12:23 pm
by Grondel
smashtheaxis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 6:29 pm
Tassadar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 16, 2025 3:21 pm
See this for example some user posted on Steam:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2049117521
The key here is not the supply points really but getting zone of control around as many units as you can. As you can see form the screen that player did not even take Sumy, he just made sure that all the terrain is under ZOC wall, including supply from map edges in the west.
Thanks for the replies!
Yes, I tried to do it like this. But somehow it did now work until my units were only a couple of hex fields east of Kiev, i.e. almost in the city. This large encirclement like on the screenshot does not work for me. I am pretty. sure I did not leave any holes in my encirclement. Blocked all the bridges of the major rivers, encircled west of Kiev, then had a line of units close everyhing off in the eastern part of the map.
So I am wondering if maybe an update in the last couple of years changed the rules to make this large encirclement impossible? The screenshot is from 2020, as are the Youtube videos I found. Hmm.
Or maybe I need a special leader attribute for this to work?
If u provide a screenshot of ur not working encirclement we can tell u where ur hole is.
sers,
Thomas
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:29 pm
by PoorOldSpike
Speaking of encirclement, it sometimes has me scratching my head trying to figure out if units are in or out of supply, for example I could have sworn the ZOC of one of my tanks extended into a swamp hex to encircle an enemy, but I eventually realised my tank couldn't move into the swamp hex because its low movement allowance didn't allow it, therefore its ZOC didn't extend into the hex either.
Below is a test I did with my Matilda II, it has a default movement allowance of only '3', therefore it can move into any of the other hexes but not into the swamp hex unless along a road-
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 1:05 pm
by smashtheaxis
Grondel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 17, 2025 12:23 pm
If u provide a screenshot of ur not working encirclement we can tell u where ur hole is.
sers,
Thomas
Thanks, here are my screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/g5CFjKa
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 8:16 pm
by Grondel
smashtheaxis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 1:05 pm
Grondel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 17, 2025 12:23 pm
If u provide a screenshot of ur not working encirclement we can tell u where ur hole is.
sers,
Thomas
Thanks, here are my screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/g5CFjKa
west of kiev are 4 hexes between the dense forest and ur infantry that let supply pass to kiev.
sers,
Thomas
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2025 8:41 pm
by smashtheaxis
Thanks, that was the solution. I thought they could not supply from the West for some reason.
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 3:20 pm
by PoorOldSpike
For the record, I can't see the Imgur screenshots because this message comes up when i click their links- 'Content not available in your region'.
(I'm in England).
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 3:25 pm
by PoorOldSpike
smashtheaxis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 8:41 pm
Thanks, that was the solution. I thought they could not supply from the West for some reason.
Speaking of supply, correct me if I'm wrong but the hexes along all 4 map edges in all campaigns and scens are supply sources?
Re: How does the encirclement work in Kiev North?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:29 pm
by Tassadar
PoorOldSpike wrote: ↑Mon Oct 20, 2025 3:25 pm
smashtheaxis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 8:41 pm
Thanks, that was the solution. I thought they could not supply from the West for some reason.
Speaking of supply, correct me if I'm wrong but the hexes along all 4 map edges in all campaigns and scens are supply sources?
Yes, map edges give supply just as supply hexes do.