(History) Greek light horse ?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:31 am
				
				Disclamer : The game is perfect as is. This post is just because I like History. It’s not meant to make any change in the Vanilla game which is based on a smart economy of units and a top-down approach.
My current historical question is : Are there light horse in the Greek lists before the 4th century BC ?
Let's start with Richard Nelson and his book, Armies of the Greek and Persian Wars (500-350 BC). He doesn’t mention any greek light cav. According to him :
1) Till 480 BC, beside the Greek Cavalryman armed like an Hoplite without a shield, the Thessalian cavalrymen were armed with javelins and a long sword.
2) Little changed in terms of offensive weapons for the Greek cavalryman of 400 BC who still carried javelins and sometimes a spear.
Afaik our main sources come from Athens and ‘Athenian’ writers.
Glenn R. Bugh summarizes the introduction of ‘Light Horse’ in the Athenian armies as followed :
1) The Athenians employed a force of two hundred mounted bowmen (Hippotoxotai) in the 5th and early 4th centuries B.C. They are mentioned three times in Thucydides (2.13.8, 5.84.1-2, 6.94.4) and once by Xenophon in his Memorabilia (3.3.1). (imho maybe after witnessing the effectivness of the Persian mounted bowmen ?)
2) Sometime between the 390s and 360s, Hippotoxotai were replaced with prodromoi in Athens.
About the other Greek areas, Glenn R. Bugh states that "Prodromoi attested elsewhere at almost exactly the same time may offer close parallels to their counterparts in Athens". In Macedonia in the early campaigns of Alexander the Great carrying the long spear called sarissa and are thus known in our sources as sarissophoroi (Arrian 1.14.1, 6; 3.12.3, with Q Curtius Rufus 4.15.13). Bugh adds the Athenian prodromoi were armed like Alexander’s hippakontistai (Javelin Cavalry).
3) The Athenian prodromoi are attested epigraphically as late as the mid 3rd century B.C.
4) In the 2nd century B.C. Athens reorganized its cavalry using ‘Tarantines’ (Tarantinoi), a generic term of the Hellenistic period for the javelin-throwing light cavalry.
So, according to Bugh, in Athens, "as prodromoi had supplanted hippotoxotai (ca 390-360 BC), so in turn tarantinoi replaced the prodromoi (ca 167 BC)".
Sources (from the American School of Classical Studies at Athens) :
- On paper : https://www.ascsa.edu.gr/uploads/media/ ... 148421.pdf
- On Youtube : https://youtu.be/ps0Lx2kVZVY
So what ?
It seems possible that, before the 4th century, javelin light horses were not used by Greeks, meaning that, before this date, there might have been only one type of Greek cavalry : able to throw javelins and to charge other cavalries of the time and the flanks of the hoplites, but not as maneuvrable as Light Horse, while still a bit more maneuvrable than the ingame non-light cav.
Any historical source contradicting this view would of course be very much welcome
			My current historical question is : Are there light horse in the Greek lists before the 4th century BC ?
Let's start with Richard Nelson and his book, Armies of the Greek and Persian Wars (500-350 BC). He doesn’t mention any greek light cav. According to him :
1) Till 480 BC, beside the Greek Cavalryman armed like an Hoplite without a shield, the Thessalian cavalrymen were armed with javelins and a long sword.
2) Little changed in terms of offensive weapons for the Greek cavalryman of 400 BC who still carried javelins and sometimes a spear.
Afaik our main sources come from Athens and ‘Athenian’ writers.
Glenn R. Bugh summarizes the introduction of ‘Light Horse’ in the Athenian armies as followed :
1) The Athenians employed a force of two hundred mounted bowmen (Hippotoxotai) in the 5th and early 4th centuries B.C. They are mentioned three times in Thucydides (2.13.8, 5.84.1-2, 6.94.4) and once by Xenophon in his Memorabilia (3.3.1). (imho maybe after witnessing the effectivness of the Persian mounted bowmen ?)
2) Sometime between the 390s and 360s, Hippotoxotai were replaced with prodromoi in Athens.
Bugh describes the Prodromoi as "an advance force, skirmishers, scouts, couriers". In Athens they are recorded first in Xenophon's Hipparchikos (1.25), usually dated to the 360s. Xenophon advises to train them rigorously in the use of the javelin. The prodromoi are also mentionned in Aristotle’s book, the Athenian Constitution, ca. 325 BC.Note : Prodromoi only means ‘front-runners’ in Ancient Greek. Game wise, it only means 'Light Horse'. They can be equipped either with javelin as the Light Javelin Horse in the Greek lists or with sarissa as the Prodromoi of the Macedonian lists of the game.
About the other Greek areas, Glenn R. Bugh states that "Prodromoi attested elsewhere at almost exactly the same time may offer close parallels to their counterparts in Athens". In Macedonia in the early campaigns of Alexander the Great carrying the long spear called sarissa and are thus known in our sources as sarissophoroi (Arrian 1.14.1, 6; 3.12.3, with Q Curtius Rufus 4.15.13). Bugh adds the Athenian prodromoi were armed like Alexander’s hippakontistai (Javelin Cavalry).
3) The Athenian prodromoi are attested epigraphically as late as the mid 3rd century B.C.
4) In the 2nd century B.C. Athens reorganized its cavalry using ‘Tarantines’ (Tarantinoi), a generic term of the Hellenistic period for the javelin-throwing light cavalry.
So, according to Bugh, in Athens, "as prodromoi had supplanted hippotoxotai (ca 390-360 BC), so in turn tarantinoi replaced the prodromoi (ca 167 BC)".
Sources (from the American School of Classical Studies at Athens) :
- On paper : https://www.ascsa.edu.gr/uploads/media/ ... 148421.pdf
- On Youtube : https://youtu.be/ps0Lx2kVZVY
So what ?
It seems possible that, before the 4th century, javelin light horses were not used by Greeks, meaning that, before this date, there might have been only one type of Greek cavalry : able to throw javelins and to charge other cavalries of the time and the flanks of the hoplites, but not as maneuvrable as Light Horse, while still a bit more maneuvrable than the ingame non-light cav.
Any historical source contradicting this view would of course be very much welcome

