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Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 3:30 pm
by newbiesoldat
So I currently own FOG 2 Medieval, and am planning to buy the Kingdom with the new DLC Rajas and Tribes. I saw some gameplay footage and previews, and would like to make a few suggestions regarding some aspects to make it more historically accurate, and possibly more enjoyable.

Firstly; please add the Chauhans of Savalakha (Sapalaksha). The territory of Rajputana at this period was called Savalakha.The Capital at this time should be Sambhar (Shakambhari). It was ruled by the Chauhan Rajputs. Post Mahmud Ghaznavi (After 1026), it were the Chauhan Rajputs of Savalakha who fought the Ghazvanids, with Chamundaraja (reign at the start of the campagin date in 1050s) defeating an incursion. Later his descendents such as Durlabharaja, Ajayaraja (founder of Ajmer), Arnoraja and Vigraharaja IV, and finally Prithviraja IV, all fought the Turks. As such Chauhan Rajputs are essential for this period.

Gujarat and Malwa fought the Turks mostly after the fall of the Chauhans post 1192. They fought Mahmud in 1025-26, mostly because the Chauhans had not yet consolidated and emerged as a major power till 1050s. Later the Solanki Rajputs of Gujarat fought the Ghurids once in 1178, but that's it. So from 1050 to 1192, Gujarat fought the Turks only twice, and Malwa only once. Most of the fighting was done by the Chauhans of Savalakha from 1050s to 1192.

Not having Chauhans against Ghazvanids is akin to having a 100 years campaign with no England, but only Burgundy and France.

The Early Chauhan Dynasties by Dasharath Sharma is an excellent book, it is freely available online.

Secondly, some provinces have late Medieval or Early Modern names, the few I could spot from watching some playthroughs were 'Rajputana', Mughal period name, should be called Savalakha, Jodhpur, 15th century, at this time it should Mandore or just called Marwar, and finally Burhanpur, a14th century Indo-Islamic name, at this time it should just be called Abhiradesa.

Similarly, Indian Rajput and Hindu titles were; Maharajadhiraja (Emperor), Maharaja (King), Raja or Rana (Petty King or Feudatory).

Lastly, compared to other Indian states of the interior, the Rajputs such as the Chauhans of Savalakha and the Solankis of Gujarat were far superior as cavalrymen. Malwa was also ruled by Rajputs, but being in Central India, they relied more on infantry and elephants than their western counterparts in Rajputana and Gujarat.

I hope this information proves useful for making the Indian part of the DLC more accurate and enjoyable.

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 9:15 pm
by newbiesoldat
Could anyone please tell me if it is realistic to expect a future patch that adds in the Chauhan Rajput faction in the game? It would really mean a lot in the way of getting an authentic Medieval Indian experience. Also, do the Gujarati and Malwa factions use the Indian Rajput roster or just North Indian Hindu one?

I think the Rajput one has Armoured Indian Lancers and Superior Indian Lancers both, while the Indian one only has Superior Indian Lancers. I think from what I've seen from some playthroughs of other players, Gujarati generals for example, are given Superior Indian Lancers rather than Armoured ones. I've posted a thread on Indian rosters and military of this period on the FOG 2 Medieval forum in case any references are required.

I would really appreciate if these could be clarified.

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 5:38 am
by Pocus
Hello,
Really sorry for not having replied, we thought we had! Yes, we discussed it among ourselves and we will implement the majority of your suggestions! :D

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 9:52 am
by newbiesoldat
Thank you so much! I will be looking forward to play the campaign!

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:35 am
by jimwinsor
I'm working on putting these changes in, and you may be amused to know this occurred during research:

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Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:36 am
by Pocus
It's funny but also worrying!

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:27 pm
by Surt
Remember not to trust any AI before you've checked the sources!

Re: Please Add the Chauhans Rajputs in India

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:38 pm
by newbiesoldat
It is sort of hilarious as well on the part of the AI. Savalakha/Sawalakh in Hindi and earlier regional variants only means the number 1250000, it means one and quarter lakh (a lakh means a hundred thousand). So ordinarily if Sawalakh should mean just a number, Sapadalaksha is the same number in Sanskrit. In India, some areas and kingdoms, even regional units were also named on the number of villages, for example the principality of Nadol, ruled by a branch of Chauhans, was called Saptashata (700 villages). Similarly like the Anglo Saxons had a Hundred as county unit denoting a hundred hides, India had Chaurasi (86) denoting 86 villages, sometimes there were other numbers as well such as 10, 12, 20, 50 etc.

The other term used for Rajasthan during this period was Jangaladesa/Jangaladesha. Jangala (proncounced Jaangal) is somewhat the opposite of Jungle (Jangala in Sanskrit), both come from Sanskrit, while the latter means a forested area, the latter means a dry and rugged wilderness. Desa or Desh simply means region or district. So for Rajasthan, you may also used Jangaladesa. Currently Jangaladesa mostly refers to the Bikaner region in Rajasthan, which is North West Rajasthan, reason But for the game's time period, it is very much appropriate historically.

This will help for research.

https://archive.org/details/early-chauh ... 1/mode/2up