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Lysimachos wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:47 pm

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:45 pm

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:47 pm

Can you upload as a zip or rar? I'm unable to download it with its current setup.

Thanks, eager to check it out.

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:45 pm

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:47 pm

Can you upload as a zip or rar? I'm unable to download it with its current setup.

Thanks, eager to check it out.

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:42 pm Excellent, will take a look. Some things to consider -
1) Making it an in-game download, when you feel it is ready
2) Adding 'Held Firm' etc messages
3) Adding 'Turn and Shoot' etc

Will come back with further suggestions after checking it out. Thanks.

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:29 pm Whit regard to your consideration, Snugglebunnies:
1) it would be really great but I don't know it is feasible at the moment or is better to wait until the mod is entirely completed. At the moment I have finished a bit less of half the armies I'd like to build
2) e 3) unfortunately I don't understand what you mean for "Held Firm" messages and "Turn and Shoot". I presume these are some other mods but I haven't found them. Maybe you can explain me in detail the issue.

In the next update, anyway, I'd like to add the "undo command" and "immediate score" patches.
Then I was also wondering if it could be possible, but this seems really difficult, to have different wheater conditions in battle, like rain or snow, even only for an aesthetic matter (I mean without any real effect on the unit capabilities) ...

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:29 pm

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:42 pm Excellent, will take a look. Some things to consider -
1) Making it an in-game download, when you feel it is ready
2) Adding 'Held Firm' etc messages
3) Adding 'Turn and Shoot' etc

Will come back with further suggestions after checking it out. Thanks.

Whit regard to your consideration, Snugglebunnies:
1) it would be really great but I don't know it is feasible at the moment or is better to wait until the mod is entirely completed. At the moment I have finished a bit less of half the armies I'd like to build
2) e 3) unfortunately I don't understand what you mean for "Held Firm" messages and "Turn and Shoot". I presume these are some other mods but I haven't found them. Maybe you can explain me in detail the issue.

In the next update, anyway, I'd like to add the "undo command" and "immediate score" patches.
Then I was also wondering if it could be possible, but this seems really difficult, to have different wheater conditions in battle, like rain or snow, even only for an aesthetic matter (I mean without any real effect on the unit capabilities) ...

SnuggleBunnies wrote: Thanks for the download, will return with feedback/impressions

Paul59 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:27 am
If you have used any copyrighted images in your mod that would be a problem for an in game download. When I was creating Pike and Shot scenarios and mods Slitherine always required me to blur any potentially copyrighted images to get around any legal issues.

	// CAMPAIGN ADDITION
//  if (GetSkirmishState() != 2)
	if (GetScriptGlobal("CampaignDisplay", "gCampGame") == 0)
		{
	// END CAMPAIGN addition
			StandardVictoryConditions(70, 50, 70, 50, drawdecider, MPgame);
	// CAMPAIGN ADDITION
		}
	else
		{
			StandardCampaignVictoryConditions(60, 52, 60, 52, drawdecider, MPgame);
		}
	// END CAMPAIGN addition
}

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:29 pm ...
In the next update, anyway, I'd like to add the "undo command" and "immediate score" patches.
...

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:24 am Okay, a few ideas/questions -

1) Highlanders seem to be musket, impact, sword. Does this mean they lack bayonet traits? Could create some oddities. Haven't tested it in the editor yet, so just asking

2) Some cavalry are Swordsmen instead of Melee Pistols, making them notably awful. Is that intended?

3) Grenadier units have 10-20% grenades. I know this might be a little bit of flavor, but they really dont seem to have been used in the field, with very rare exceptions, and instead were relegated largely to siege work. Grenades are also very effective in the game, inflicting a -1 to ranged CTs taken by enemy units that get hit by them. Really, I'm not sure that grenadiers/guards should be much different from one another. You could experiment with making such units Mixed Foot, which would give them additional CT bonuses at the cost of slight disorder and slower movement in rough - just an idea.

4) My main comment - I think the Indians are quite off. They are largely depicted as partial musket, partial heavy weapon Warriors. Not only is HW by default canceled by Bayonet, making them warriors with poor shooting forces them to stand and fight. This isn't right; they were quite often, man for man, the best fighters available to either side, good shots, and bows were largely relegated to hunting/sport/desperate situations with a lack of ammunition. They really should just be high quality light infantry marksmen, perhaps with Swordsmen skill added on. Although they were willing to close to melee if they were already winning, they did not engage volley for volley in European style, nor did they face regulars in the open. Their numbers should also be quite small - at their peak, whether as auxiliaries assisting the French, or in their greatest victory of the 18th century (St Clair's Defeat), they tended to field at most a little over a thousand warriors.

Cronos09 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:39 pm Interesting mod, good work!
I noticed a bug. The minimal routing level in skirmishes - 30% of breaking troops:

Lysimachos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:35 am 1) Highlanders have been designed this way to obtain much more melee capability, with a slight decrease in their firing power and seem to work effectively on the battlefield.

2) Cavalry units with the swordsmen trait are only the Carabiniers (armoured and unarmoured). I chose to represent them this way given that, if I correctly understood their tactics, Carabiniers, instead of other cavalry types, lost quite totally their impact elan in the firing phase. Anyway, they still seem to fight appropriately when I tested them.

3) On the issue I substantially agree with you, with a difference. In fact, though usually grenadiers didn’t use grenades on the battlefield, I’ve found some references about them doing so in the early stages of the XVIII^ century. This could be represented with the 20% of men (just the first ranks) using grenades until the 20’s or 30’ (also to have a little bit flavor, as you say). From them on it is surely more correct to eliminate this trait and I will do so in the next update.

Firstly, I think your remark mainly regards the presence of Indians in the British and French colonial armies (where, indeed, I represented them quite exclusively as warriors), because in the Native American army light infantry archers and raiders represent quite a bit less of half the total men. Probably this proportion isn’t totally correct, and it would be better to enhance it to 60% or 65% as should be done in the French and British Colonial armies where, now, no light infantry Indian units are present, except for the Algonquin archers (and I’ll take care of this in the next update).

Secondly, I don’t understand your comments about bayonet canceling the Heavy Weapon trait, given that warriors have not been given bayonets anyway.

Thirdly, about the warrior units, I think that once their number is lowered to a more feasible percentage (30-35%) of the entire Indian fighting force, they still have a decent chance of representing the fact that, in many situations, Indians closed in fearlessly with the enemy at quick speed (and in order to do so they’ve been awarded with 12 Aps while archers and raiders 14) to fight hand to hand (where they have a distinct advantage against militia unit an pair the melee power of the few ordinary musketeer units available to the European armies). Obviously Indian armies are not to be played in a usual field battle but, to represent the real nature of combat in the northern American theater, you should always play small or very small battles in wooded terrain where they excel, given their quickness and cover ability.

Fourthly, I disagree about the fact that Indians unit represented only a small part of the colonial forces. This may be true for open battles, but they occurred rarely in that landscape, where raids and skirmish encounters were the norm. And in these situations, Indian forces constituted an appreciable part of the fighting forces.