Slitherine

Well, finally played our first game today. Despite having taken down MRR and Carthiginians my oppo had just bought a rather lovely Seleucid army on eBay which had arrived this morning so we decided to christen it! So, Later Seleucid v. Mid-Rep Roman.

To broaden my frontage and try to counter his superiority in Cav and LH and Elephants. I deployed my triarii on either side of my central legionary mass.Latin allies to right. My Cav to left facing all his horse and Elephants. Pushed forward as fast as I could with my Velites driving back his skirmish line. The Allies moved to engage his MF on the one flank while the one Roman Cav BG drove off his LH archers. They went too far forward and had to carry on to avoid a threat from the Elephants who then bore down on and charged my allied Cav. The Allied foot in the meantime engaged his Off.Sp MF, both with TCs in front line. I rolled VERY bad, 6 dice, 1,1,2,2,3,3. TC gave me 2 re-rolls - 1,1

Passed the Cohesion test though and lived to fight again. Held them next turn but lost another base, as did he. Then in the third turn, lost another and my general. In the center the legions plodded on and were about to charge into the pike. On my left one Cav BG ended up engaging both his BGs with the LH threatening the flanks while my Allied Cav spent three turns battling the Elephants to no avail either way...

And then we ran out of time!

We'd had quite a few rule discussions on the way and had my wife not been sat in the car waiting we may have managed one turn of legion v phalanx to see if things would swing the Roman way.

Discussions were mainly...

1. LI Bow in single line of 8 facing the legions. End base faces on BG, next 2 another, next 2 another. We think they only get to throw two dice as the end base is on its own so doesn't get one and the overlap on the other side only adds one base so they stay on 1 dice. It seemed funny that just because of how my BGs lined up 2 of the 6 bases firing were discounted?

2. The battle of my allied cav v the Elephants. We only had one base each in contact and in three turns nothing really happened. It seemed strange that Cavalry were little affected by the big beasts? Maybe it was just our rolling...?

We enjoyed it anyway and will play again.

Cheers

Andy

CountBelisarius wrote:
2. The battle of my allied cav v the Elephants. We only had one base each in contact and in three turns nothing really happened. It seemed strange that Cavalry were little affected by the big beasts? Maybe it was just our rolling...?

I agree about cav vs Elephants. It is the only POA that I don't like. If your cavalry get hit frontally by elephants they should be facing a ++ POA against them.


Cheers.....Geoff

Welcome to the foggers communauty.

For EL Vs CV don't forget that EL desorganized the Cv (lost 1 dice /3) and one + poa for the EL. So CV 3 dices at 5 EL 4 dices at 4. I think is really difficult for CV to survived.

For the LI they Get one dice for 2 bases. So 8 LI = 4 dices. in your situation they get probably one dice / legion's BG.

zeitoun wrote: For EL Vs CV don't forget that EL desorganized the Cv (lost 1 dice /3) and one + poa for the EL. So CV 3 dices at 5 EL 4 dices at 4. I think is really difficult for CV to survived.

Where/when/how do Elephants disorganise the Cavalry? I agree this makes sense but I seem to be missing it in the rules...?

Andy

In special features chapter on page 120.

Bullet point 1, Knights, cataphracts, cavalry, light horse and chariots are disordered if they are less than 1 base width from elephants.

Rob

Ahhh, thank you. That makes a little more sense. We missed that. It was our first game and we were just working through the rules. It would be good to have that noted on the Quick Reference sheets somewhere.

We'll get it right next time! And see how much difference it makes...

Andy

re 1: its usually better to deploy LF in double line to reduce frontage and get more die on the target infront. LF shoot from second line aswell (but counts range from front base). The 8 LF Bow could have been deployed in 4 by 2 and get 4 dice to tagets infront of them, much simpler to target BGs for full that way.

re 2: Elephant rules in FOG are, well, not good imho. You did fight with all bases both of you i hope btw? I interpret what you are saying as you might have rolled to few die.

Why is CountBelisarius running a Mid-Rep Roman Army instead of an Early Byzantine one? Please tell me you have an Early Byzzie army too.

Paul G

CountBelisarius wrote:Well, finally played our first game today. Despite having taken down MRR and Carthiginians my oppo had just bought a rather lovely Seleucid army on eBay which had arrived this morning so we decided to christen it! So, Later Seleucid v. Mid-Rep Roman.

To broaden my frontage and try to counter his superiority in Cav and LH and Elephants. I deployed my triarii on either side of my central legionary mass.Latin allies to right. My Cav to left facing all his horse and Elephants. Pushed forward as fast as I could with my Velites driving back his skirmish line. The Allies moved to engage his MF on the one flank while the one Roman Cav BG drove off his LH archers. They went too far forward and had to carry on to avoid a threat from the Elephants who then bore down on and charged my allied Cav. The Allied foot in the meantime engaged his Off.Sp MF, both with TCs in front line. I rolled VERY bad, 6 dice, 1,1,2,2,3,3. TC gave me 2 re-rolls - 1,1

Passed the Cohesion test though and lived to fight again. Held them next turn but lost another base, as did he. Then in the third turn, lost another and my general. In the center the legions plodded on and were about to charge into the pike. On my left one Cav BG ended up engaging both his BGs with the LH threatening the flanks while my Allied Cav spent three turns battling the Elephants to no avail either way...

And then we ran out of time!

We'd had quite a few rule discussions on the way and had my wife not been sat in the car waiting we may have managed one turn of legion v phalanx to see if things would swing the Roman way.

Discussions were mainly...

1. LI Bow in single line of 8 facing the legions. End base faces on BG, next 2 another, next 2 another. We think they only get to throw two dice as the end base is on its own so doesn't get one and the overlap on the other side only adds one base so they stay on 1 dice. It seemed funny that just because of how my BGs lined up 2 of the 6 bases firing were discounted?

2. The battle of my allied cav v the Elephants. We only had one base each in contact and in three turns nothing really happened. It seemed strange that Cavalry were little affected by the big beasts? Maybe it was just our rolling...?

We enjoyed it anyway and will play again.

Cheers

Andy

PaulByzan wrote:Why is CountBelisarius running a Mid-Rep Roman Army instead of an Early Byzantine one? Please tell me you have an Early Byzzie army too.

Paul G

It's my next project! Just deciding on what figures

Andy

zeitoun wrote:Welcome to the foggers communauty.

For EL Vs CV don't forget that EL desorganized the Cv (lost 1 dice /3) and one + poa for the EL. So CV 3 dices at 5 EL 4 dices at 4. I think is really difficult for CV to survived.

For the LI they Get one dice for 2 bases. So 8 LI = 4 dices. in your situation they get probably one dice / legion's BG.

Think you may be wrong on the shooting, and the initial post is correct. Shooting is by target, so it almost always rounds down in a way which loses you dice! Is how I remember it!!