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Sad to say that on today's Slitherine stream, it's been confirmed that Pacific has been shelved for now. However, Marko did say that Panzer Corps 2 will be getting a good amount of content this year with the next content drop's details being revealed in a couple weeks or so.

A shame, but in a way I get it. The AO 1946 adjustments improved naval combat, but let's face it, the bar was not high to begin with with the outdated system inherited from Panzer General. If the current set up was more large scale, the naval scenarios would be a massive grind. Part of me prefers it this way while another still thinks Pacific Corps would be the best idea for a DLC and perhaps still could have focused on the ground conflict more. We shall see.

This also probably means we will be seeing some variant of Allied Corps next instead, which I am perfectly fine with, it's been ages since there was a chance to play as the Allies and as long as I get the TOG-2 as a gift unit, all will be forgiven.

Well, I do not want to sound rude, but this if it's really their final decision about Pacific is way too embarassing, from whatever side you look at this (sad) story... so in the end of the day they are telling us that they can't do a decent sea warfare based wargame I am almost speechless

Andrea69 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:13 pm Well, I do not want to sound rude, but this if it's really their final decision about Pacific is way too embarassing, from whatever side you look at this (sad) story... so in the end of the day they are telling us that they can't do a decent sea warfare based wargame I am almost speechless

Good thing is i don´t have to wait anymore with the sea-battle rework....

sers,
Thomas

Andrea69 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:13 pm Well, I do not want to sound rude, but this if it's really their final decision about Pacific is way too embarassing, from whatever side you look at this (sad) story... so in the end of the day they are telling us that they can't do a decent sea warfare based wargame I am almost speechless

Well, as Marco said, it isnt the final decision. It is shelved and they are trying to find a way to present fun content.
So i cant really see why this is embarassing ? Other companies would have released an unfun game, took the money and then stated something like "oh sorry, next time we do better"
For me its exactly the opposite of embarrasing to admit that there are serious development issues and to shelve a project that costed money instead of releasing an unfun game.

And the score is 9 - 0.

Let’s bury the corpse and start work on a new engine. PC2 has a naval engine that is FUBAR. One that works as a replacement for OOB and PC2. It’s beyond time. Please get us some devs that are not so Nazi centric that it totally drives the campaigns. There are a large number of other campaigns that deserve mention. I’d love an upgraded USMC that was really well done instead of some more Nazi unit love. Kerensky Is too attached to his beloved Furher units to make an objective campaign. Let’s focus on the units and troops and the people that sacrificed all to deliver us from those regimes. If you have not stood on Omaha Beach or Point du Hoc, or Pegasus Bridge STFU as you are idealizing something so horrible beyond your compreshension.

Gotta say I’m sad. I think pacific general was the same engine as the rest of that series. This being a newer engine I had great hope!

That said Allied general east or west with fictional U.S./U.K. vs Russia after Germany falls?
Or is Africa corps first? Or is AO west next? There are still a lot of content options.

Also Grondel’s hero mod is a great thing to be added to all new content.

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:48 am I think that if he was given his way Kerensky would focus on AOC ‘22 Where we focus our game, on idealizing Putin’s theoretical sexy units butchering Ukrainians. He has absolutely no respect for morals or history.

That's called libel.

Kerensky wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:42 am

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:48 am I think that if he was given his way Kerensky would focus on AOC ‘22 Where we focus our game, on idealizing Putin’s theoretical sexy units butchering Ukrainians. He has absolutely no respect for morals or history.

That's called libel.

War is "Immoral"... so!!!... "What's New about that!!!???".

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:48 am I think that if he was given his way Kerensky would focus on AOC ‘22 Where we focus our game, on idealizing Putin’s theoretical sexy units butchering Ukrainians. He has absolutely no respect for morals or history.

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:46 am Let’s bury the corpse and start work on a new engine. PC2 has a naval engine that is FUBAR. One that works as a replacement for OOB and PC2. It’s beyond time. Please get us some devs that are not so Nazi centric that it totally drives the campaigns. There are a large number of other campaigns that deserve mention. I’d love an upgraded USMC that was really well done instead of some more Nazi unit love. Kerensky Is too attached to his beloved Furher units to make an objective campaign. Let’s focus on the units and troops and the people that sacrificed all to deliver us from those regimes. If you have not stood on Omaha Beach or Point du Hoc, or Pegasus Bridge STFU as you are idealizing something so horrible beyond your compreshension.

Last time is cried like that, must be roughly 50 years ago, my grandma said to "stfu and do something about it!".
That said, i can´t wait to play ur Allied campaign mod. Very nice of u to volunteer for doing that.

sers,
Thomas

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:48 am I think that if he was given his way Kerensky would focus on AOC ‘22 Where we focus our game, on idealizing Putin’s theoretical sexy units butchering Ukrainians. He has absolutely no respect for morals or history.

You sound like a psycho. Kerensky has done a great job on the DLC's. Maybe you should take a walk outside, step back from the computer for a while and talk people in real life

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:46 am Let’s bury the corpse and start work on a new engine. PC2 has a naval engine that is FUBAR. One that works as a replacement for OOB and PC2. It’s beyond time. Please get us some devs that are not so Nazi centric that it totally drives the campaigns. There are a large number of other campaigns that deserve mention. I’d love an upgraded USMC that was really well done instead of some more Nazi unit love. Kerensky Is too attached to his beloved Furher units to make an objective campaign. Let’s focus on the units and troops and the people that sacrificed all to deliver us from those regimes. If you have not stood on Omaha Beach or Point du Hoc, or Pegasus Bridge STFU as you are idealizing something so horrible beyond your compreshension.

1. It's a damn video game set in WW2 where you play as the Germans. Of course it's going to focus on the Nazi's. 2. He has never once disrespected the allies efforts at all. 3. This is a video game, stop stroking out over it. Same as the other dude, go outside and talk to real people.

Bee1976 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:34 pm Other companies would have released an unfun game, took the money and then stated something like "oh sorry, next time we do better"
For me its exactly the opposite of embarrasing to admit that there are serious development issues and to shelve a project that costed money instead of releasing an unfun game.

Totally aggree. Better no game then a bad game

Otherwise I would suggest for the Pacific to create a completely new standalone game - no DLC.
The existing mechanics seem to be unsuitable for large sea battles.

Although I have to wonder how good old SSI managed to program Pacific General - it was ideal - even with scale problems. They simply extended the range for large ships in the island battle maps.

I could imagine that for the island hopping scenarios in the Pacific this mechanic would suffice in the existing Unreal Engine?

Land based combat (China vs. Japan) should be perfectly fine with the existing technical means.

Anyway.

Let`s take a look ahead and what will come. A german Afrikakorps campaign, an Allied (North African / Western European campaign) or the good old Soviet Campaign.

Don`t forget the Italians or the Free French - lots of possibilities

Kerensky wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:11 pm And the score is 9 - 0.

Is this hint again ? Like 1.946 hours on Steam ?

Bee1976 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:34 pm

Andrea69 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:13 pm Well, I do not want to sound rude, but this if it's really their final decision about Pacific is way too embarassing, from whatever side you look at this (sad) story... so in the end of the day they are telling us that they can't do a decent sea warfare based wargame I am almost speechless

Well, as Marco said, it isnt the final decision. It is shelved and they are trying to find a way to present fun content.
So i cant really see why this is embarassing ? Other companies would have released an unfun game, took the money and then stated something like "oh sorry, next time we do better"
For me its exactly the opposite of embarrasing to admit that there are serious development issues and to shelve a project that costed money instead of releasing an unfun game.

This is fair and I agree, clearly if you believe that your product is broken you are not going to deliver it. However as clearly as this my disappointment is not about delivering or not a broken product, but about their unability to fix the game engine for naval warfare. I hoped at least for a Pacific General 2.0 or something like that, but I guess I'll have to wait until PC3. In the meantime, let's focus on the good news of the new content in the pipeline

PanzerCro wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:17 pm

kverdon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:48 am I think that if he was given his way Kerensky would focus on AOC ‘22 Where we focus our game, on idealizing Putin’s theoretical sexy units butchering Ukrainians. He has absolutely no respect for morals or history.

Thank God americans have a lot of moral. They killed only 1 million people in Iraq, while they could do much more...they have great respect for people of Iraq

Both of you need to not bring modern politics into a video game forum

(1) Enough with the personal attacks on Kerensky. The Panzer General franchise has always been German-centric: IT'S IN THE TITLE. I thoroughly enjoyed AO '46, even though in this fictional alt-history I would have been on the losing side. I have been fascinated by the Wunderwaffe since I was a child, and it was fun to deploy some of them, especially the landcruisers. Thanks, Kerensky, for your hard and rewarding work!

(2) Better no Pacific DLC than a disappointing one. As others have noted already, there is much possible new content that doesn't require naval operations. And, after all, we have to leave something for PC3! Naval operations are not the only aspect of the game that could benefit from a major upgrade... but that's a topic for another day.

Ok it is a deception, but by the way do we know all the real reasons? Is-it simply a limitation of the actual engine or something linked to the development team or the production?
The game has been a real fun and interesting for the past 3 years: I don't understand why some players turn agressive when the team encounter real difficulties.
In any case I don't think that we should bring political opinions in this forum.
I wish all the best in 2024 to the dev team and its community.