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These are the "real" ones....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBA5tQsDbE

130 Main Gun, Surround Defence System ag. top down rockets, uav surveillance .... the bad side, its like the maus at the moment, we only have 2.

500 of these for the ukraine would be great, on the other hand lets hope the war is over when this tank is ready for mass prod. btw: 50% MORE FIREPOWER then the new russian T14 (ok russia has only 20 of them bec. they are exp. and bec. of economic blockade)

I am a little worried about the capability to use this tank WITHOUT humans, ai only, ... that alone would be great for all tyrants. This system is not finished but it will be.

o_t_d_x wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:12 am 500 of these for the ukraine would be great, on the other hand lets hope the war is over when this tank is ready for mass prod. btw: 50% MORE FIREPOWER then the new russian T14 (ok russia has only 20 of them bec. they are exp. and bec. of economic blockade)

So!... to now push "Putin" 'over-the-edge' with supplying 'Ukraine' with the latest modern Tanks and whatever else would just give him a conniption-fit!... he would go-crazy!. That's why it isn't being done,

One moment I think I see three Panther KF51 at the same time on the video ?

Retributarr wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:34 am

o_t_d_x wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:12 am 500 of these for the ukraine would be great, on the other hand lets hope the war is over when this tank is ready for mass prod. btw: 50% MORE FIREPOWER then the new russian T14 (ok russia has only 20 of them bec. they are exp. and bec. of economic blockade)

So!... to now push "Putin" 'over-the-edge' with supplying 'Ukraine' with the latest modern Tanks and whatever else would just give him a conniption-fit!... he would go-crazy!. That's why it isn't being done,

I know 2 countries that wont get these tanks: ukraine and germany.
BTW: They shouldnt have called it panther, king panther or panther 2 would have been better.

<serious mode on>
Only putin (or his people) can end this war. The ukraine cant end this war, even if they free the whole ukraine. WW2 thaugt us, that the ukraine would have to invade russia and destroy their industry, to win the war. But we all know, that this wont happen. And the nato will never fight directly ag. russia, if they arent forced to.

No matter how many russians die, they have many people and if putin makes a general mobilization, he can always attack again and again. I hope that the russian people are different to the russians of the 40ies and rebel, if too many die. Another problem: The better the ukraine fights, the more russians die, the higher the chance will become that putin uses tac. nukes.

Putin lost a lot because of this war, he wont retreat and say ok we lost, all was for nothing. Lets make peace. He will never give the conquered territorys back. With the possible exception of getting something more valuable through negotiations. Dont ask ME, what that should be. (maybe we should give him north korea instead )

The only thing thats clear: This war has to stop fast, because it can escalate to a nuclear war anytime. Remember operation able archer, it was just a training, no real war, and nearly led to ww3. (dont kill me if i dont remeber right, im getting old...)

Now we have masses of nato planes close to russia and no cold war, this time the war is hot. Its a big, big risk and the ukraine isnt worth it. Sorry ukraine, it was a big, big mistake to give up your nuclear weapons. Putin would have never attacked.

Update: please delete admin, what i wrote is wrong, america is the problem, not putin.

terminator wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:55 am One moment I think I see three Panther KF51 at the same time on the video ?

What we have 3 ??? Ok letz start op. barb. 2.


I think they just copied it.

In reality they have only 2: one complete and one without the upper part. At least that was claimed in a vid.....


Question: Why dont they make protection like pz4H for the "armoured rollers", lower part (Kettenschutz in german) nowadays ? Seems to be a weak spot of the kf51.

Hey guys,

Please avoid discussion of current events in our forums. The rules are in place because it almost always leads to toxicity and arguments, plus most people play games to relax and take a break from current events and real life.

As long as the discussion focuses on military technology, it's fine. Just avoid discussion on current wars and tensions.

There are much better places to have that discussion.

Thanks guys.

Also, look at that shirt he's wearing. What a fantastic design!

Kerensky you gave us the wrong PUMA version to be able to use the "System Panzergrenadier"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSCaAJTSeQ0


PS: Puma = Sd.Kfz.234/2 during ww2

kf51, puma .... slowly but steadily hitlers ähm germanys wonder weapons are finished.