Slitherine

1. No branching, completely linear.
2. No rewards for overachieving in a mission. No victory levels. No optional side missions. No reward for finishing fast. Little to no reward for minimal losses in a mission. Little to no punishment for high losses. In short: No strategic decisions to make, nothing interesting happens. AI in the campaign is worse than in skirmishes, because it starts scattered all over the place.

Terrible campaign design. Couldn´t be much worse.

The game is not bad per se: I like the individual units and the skirmish games, though a few more maps would be nice. AI in skirmishes is actually decent, because the campaign designer doesn´t interfere.

sIg3b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:56 pm 2. No rewards for overachieving in a mission. No victory levels. No optional side missions. No reward for finishing fast. Little to no reward for minimal losses in a mission. Little to no punishment for high losses.

Well, depending on what difficulty setting you play, fast finishing is the only way to not get overwhelmed by enemy reinforcements.
I havent played for a long time, because i think skirmishes vs the AI are really bad, the AI performs way to weak. But thats only my opinion. But if i remember correctly, you get more HQ points for better (?) victories and the veterancy system. i would prefer a real core army feature more, but its a reward that will pay out in later missions on highest difficulty if you can keep your units alive.

sIg3b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:56 pm The game is not bad per se: I like the individual units and the skirmish games, though a few more maps would be nice. AI in skirmishes is actually decent, because the campaign designer doesn´t interfere.

For me its completly the opposite.
The PVE campaign was my only reason to buy and play the game. Some Story, progressing through your HQ points and later building up a verteran army. the battles felt "meaningful" to me.

I tried skirmishes and that PS mode, both felt not really challenging, meaningful or fun. Im not on a crusade here, if you dislike the campaign, and enjoy skirmishes, just forget the pve campaign
Im pretty sure more skirmish maps will be added in the future. But i would suggest that you tryout battlesector pve campaign on
- company captain
- reinforcements high
- enhanced enemy units enabled
- enemy ai difficulty high
rest of the setting unchanged

and you will experience a nice challenge, a decent AI behavior and in most missions there is only a small room to "overachive".

But thats only my opinion. I think Battlesector is a great game, but without "real" new pve content i wont buy any more DLCs. Because i wouldnt play it, im not into that Ps mod,e skirmishes or pvp.

Bee1976 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:58 pm I havent played for a long time, because i think skirmishes vs the AI are really bad, the AI performs way to weak. But thats only my opinion. But if i remember correctly, you get more HQ points for better (?) victories and the veterancy system.

You can give the AI +500 points in the skirmish; that should do the trick.

The thing is you get (nearly) always those additional HQ pts, because all the victory conditions are non-optional. And the reward for a unit being veteran is really tiny.

A campaign for me is not about the story (I totally don´t care for story), but about strategic level decision making. And sadly, this is near totally absent in Battlesector.

Pvp skirmish should be exciting -it´s the next thing I´m going to try. (And I´ll probably get demolished by a veteran. )

sIg3b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:51 pm You can give the AI +500 points in the skirmish; that should do the trick.

indeed, the battle will become harder. but the main problem is, it still feel meaningless for me and feels like wasted time (for me) But, as mentioned, thats only my opinion. i would prefer a long pve campaign with tons of challenges and a real core army system. That would bring a lot of the strategic decisions aswell. (i do miss that aswell, like you)
For me Battlesector is a real fun game and worth every buck i paid for it, due to the fun i had with the campaign. but everything else....hm yes im not into it

Of course i can accept if a lot of players enjoy skirmishes and pvp.

sIg3b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:51 pm The thing is you get (nearly) always those additional HQ pts, because all the victory conditions are non-optional. And the reward for a unit being veteran is really tiny.

indeed. It on crazy difficulties in lategame, but the last time tired out the new units on a more normal difficulty i didnt care which of my units are veteran when i deploede them. You are right its a bit tiny.

sIg3b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:51 pm A campaign for me is not about the story (I totally don´t care for story)

Pvp skirmish should be exciting -it´s the next thing I´m going to try. (And I´ll probably get demolished by a veteran. )

I enjoyed the story, the way all units where introduced and so on. That is something (for me) that make the battles feel more worthy.

I wish you tons of fun in PvP

Thank you! It took me all of 4 turns to lose my first pvp game, as predicted.

Another 6 games are in the opening stage. I will never surrender! (Until I surrender. )

Bee1976 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:03 am For me Battlesector is a real fun game and worth every buck i paid for it, due to the fun i had with the campaign. but everything else....hm yes im not into it

Glad you got good value for your money. It´s the same with me. I paid (near) full price (90% I think) for the bundle, and it was totally worth it, but only for the pvp! Interesting how tastes differ.

One thing I found out fast in MP is how difficult the game really is. The AI doesn´t quite prepare you for the real challenge. It is not that bad (for an AI), but it can´t think ahead and will not use all its units to the best of their abilities. I will be glad if I manage to win 1 of my first 10 pvp games.

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