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Order of Battle: Allies Victorious Unit questions

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:06 pm
by jwalsh1462
I have investigated the latest units.csv that is delivered with the Allies Victorious DLC. What's up with the available equipment?

1. B-25 should not be available in NW Europe. Used primarily in the Med and Pacific, the B-25 did no actual service in France/Germany after D-Day. The B-26 Marauder should be the primary tactical bomber for the USAAF, not present as a strategic bomber.

2. M4A3/76 nor M4 105 were not available on 6/6/44. The only armor the Americans should have are M4A1, M4A1/76, M4A3 and M3/5 Stuart. M4A3/76 did not appear until October, in numbers in December for the Bulge.

3. No British land based Tactical bombers. The Typhoon and Mosquito FB should have higher anti-ground ratings (at least as good as the P-47), and variants should be availabel as TAC bombers.

4. No British Shermans? No Firefly? How about mine rollers, flail tanks and Churchill dustbins? These were really important types in the D-Day invasion and the ensuing french/belgian/dutch operations.

The funny thing is I see these units in the units.csv and they should be available on 6/6/44. Sherman III shows available 6/1/43, Firefly on 3/1/44. For some reason they don't get listed on the Purchase screen.

5. There were almost no Tiger I's deployed in NW Europe at least on the US part of the front. Panther only, Tiger II after August.

I think the scenarios I have tried so far are excellent. Not meaning to sound ungrateful, just want to see what the rationale was for these inclusion/exclusions.

Re: Order of Battle: Allies Victorious Unit questions

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:15 pm
by kondi754
jwalsh1462 wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:06 pm
4. No British Shermans? No Firefly? How about mine rollers, flail tanks and Churchill dustbins? These were really important types in the D-Day invasion and the ensuing french/belgian/dutch operations.

The funny thing is I see these units in the units.csv and they should be available on 6/6/44. Sherman III shows available 6/1/43, Firefly on 3/1/44. For some reason they don't get listed on the Purchase screen.
You need to buy 2 specializations beforehand:
*Lend Lease Act for British/Canadians
*Hobart Funnies for British

Then most of this equipment will be "unlocked" for purchase

As for the rest, it is not always possible in OoB to be very close to the historical reality for various reasons.
Besides, there are many more such inconsistencies than what you described.
If you are interested, I plan to make a Mod for the entire Allied trilogy in some time, where all available units will be correct from the point of view of history.

Re: Order of Battle: Allies Victorious Unit questions

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:33 pm
by stevefprice
Regarding the 'Hobbart's Funnies' have you got the speciality purchased with sufficient points? Lend Lease speciality too?

I take the Hurricane D as it is , in the game, a better tactical attack aircraft then the Typhoon. Whish is odd granted but it's a game so I live with it.

Re: Order of Battle: Allies Victorious Unit questions

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:16 am
by jwalsh1462
Wow, I have been playing this game since it first released and it never occurred to me that it might be a Specialisation. Thanks to you both for the responses, that was indeed my issue. Thanks.