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European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:49 pm
by Madaoke
Why don't the crusaders and lot of the european armies have trebuchets? They were the ones who most likely invented it and the first records of the use of it is by crusaders.
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:02 pm
by rbodleyscott
Madaoke wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:49 pm
Why don't the crusaders and lot of the european armies have trebuchets? They were the ones who most likely invented it and the first records of the use of it is by crusaders.
Because they were siege weapons. The Mongols are recorded as having use stone thowing engines in battle, notably at Mohi.
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm
by Dux Limitis
I think it's because the European and Outremer states mainly used them for sieges but rarely in open battles(Still,I read the French used them in the battle of Mons en Pévèleand,1304 AD,but I don't read the others),and it's a game mostly about the open battles.
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:52 pm
by Athos1660
Dux Limitis wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm
the battle of Mons en Pévèleand,1304 AD
I guess you mean the
Battle of Mons-en-Pévèle in 18 August 1304.
In his
book about this battle, on p. 16, Georges Six (mentioned in the Wiki article above) mentions "the French using five war machines : 3 'perdriaux' throwing stones and 2 '
espringales' throwing bolts, quoting a poem written by Guillaume Guiart (who died ca. 1316) also mentioned in the article.
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:10 pm
by Dux Limitis
Athos1660 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:52 pm
Dux Limitis wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:08 pm
the battle of Mons en Pévèleand,1304 AD
I guess you mean the
Battle of Mons-en-Pévèle in 18 August 1304.
In his
book about this battle, on p. 16, Georges Six (mentioned in the Wiki article above) mentions "the French using five war machines : 3 'perdriaux' throwing stones and 2 '
espringales' throwing bolts, quoting a poem written by Guillaume Guiart (who died ca. 1316) also mentioned in the article.
Yes,that's it.Perdriaux my guess is a catapult kind of thing and I know the espringale is a Medieval equal of the scorpio/light ballista.
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 am
by Madaoke
rbodleyscott wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:02 pm
Madaoke wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:49 pm
Why don't the crusaders and lot of the european armies have trebuchets? They were the ones who most likely invented it and the first records of the use of it is by crusaders.
Because they were siege weapons. The Mongols are recorded as having use stone thowing engines in battle, notably at Mohi.
Thanks for answering, call me autistic but when it isn't historical anymore I find it hard to keep playing but I'm glad this isn't the case.
Also is there an option to turn off siege weapons?
Re: European/crusader Trebuchets
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:21 am
by rbodleyscott
Madaoke wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:19 amAlso is there an option to turn off siege weapons?
They are only permitted if they were used in open battle. There is no option to exclude them other than modding the army lists. (You should not do this in your main build if you will ever play MP)