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WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:24 am
by Triarii
The posts below are for interest and perhaps for considering and practicing for what you may find yourself competing against.
The different choices for each period are posted below.
These are the final selections for the draw on 16th September.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:26 am
by Triarii
Period 1
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Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:27 am
by Triarii
Period 2
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Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:29 am
by Triarii
Period 3
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:30 am
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Period 4
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Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:59 pm
by Aeneas Stator
What about having more variety? For example, in period 2 a lot of players chose the Marian army
, that's tbh really boring. What about making a lottery between the players so as to have only one player per faction?...
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:36 pm
by ericdoman1
Hi Aeneas
We are waiting for your team's army choices. It was for the 9th September.
A bit unfortunate with the number of Roman armies in period 2. However it is to be expected. There are also quite a few differences between the Roman armies, allies, earlier Roman armies will have better and more foot, whereas the later Romans have a better supply of mounted troops. Also players builds are always slightly or very different.
Maybe next year we may have something different.
Cheers
Eric
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:17 pm
by w_michael
Good points Eric. Let's see how this plays out, and how much fun it is, before offering army list choice suggestions.
I chose the Scots army for Period 4 because I own (and painted) the same miniatures army. I wasn't trying to min-max the army list to win the tournament; just to play an army that I enjoy. Good luck everyone.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:46 pm
by Aeneas Stator
ericdoman1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:36 pm
Hi Aeneas
We are waiting for your team's army choices. It was for the 9th September.
A bit unfortunate with the number of Roman armies in period 2. However it is to be expected. There are also quite a few differences between the Roman armies, allies, earlier Roman armies will have better and more foot, whereas the later Romans have a better supply of mounted troops. Also players builds are always slightly or very different.
Maybe next year we may have something different.
Cheers
Eric
Hey Eric,
yes, the armies tend to differ, but still there are Romans everywhere... I just think it is worth giving a thought on the possibility of doing something against this. I know this is
ab initio highly unpopular, because it limits the player's freedom of choice, but it could do good to the community. On the other hand, I don't need to play the games to know that I would be facing a bunch of roman armies. Anyway, it is just a thought.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:25 am
by Geffalrus
In Digital League it works where player ranking inversely determines who gets priority in their army pick. Doesn't really work for this situation where there's no unified ranking system. I agree that it's a little boring, but on the other hand, now no one can say that they lost because they didn't get their ideal pick. Yes, there are a lot of clones, but most armies (OTHER THAN JEWISH REVOLT) are diverse enough for there to be different approaches. Honestly, after all the forced diversity of DL, I'm open to a bit of cloning to shake things up.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:15 am
by tyronec
Hey Eric,
yes, the armies tend to differ, but still there are Romans everywhere... I just think it is worth giving a thought on the possibility of doing something against this. I know this is ab initio highly unpopular, because it limits the player's freedom of choice, but it could do good to the community. On the other hand, I don't need to play the games to know that I would be facing a bunch of roman armies. Anyway, it is just a thought.
I think the organisers have made good choices for the first time this has been run. Let's see how it works out, certainly one competition where there are a lot of similar armies is not excessive.
To restrict armies in the way it is done in the DL seems inappropriate for this kind of competition, that is a handicap system which works great in the DL but who ever heard of a handicap system in a world championship.
One possibility for future competitions would be specified mirror matches throughout - got to be one of the best formats to test players skill.
The other think I would like to see is the players in each team ranked over the four periods, so that the higher ranked players would all be playing each other, next ranked players in the next division and so on. The disadvantage is it takes away players choice as to which period they get to play. But will have a better idea of how the present system pans out when the competition is over.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:39 pm
by klayeckles
tyronec wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:15 am
Hey Eric,
yes, the armies tend to differ, but still there are Romans everywhere... I just think it is worth giving a thought on the possibility of doing something against this. I know this is ab initio highly unpopular, because it limits the player's freedom of choice, but it could do good to the community. On the other hand, I don't need to play the games to know that I would be facing a bunch of roman armies. Anyway, it is just a thought.
I think the organisers have made good choices for the first time this has been run. Let's see how it works out, certainly one competition where there are a lot of similar armies is not excessive.
To restrict armies in the way it is done in the DL seems inappropriate for this kind of competition, that is a handicap system which works great in the DL but who ever heard of a handicap system in a world championship.
One possibility for future competitions would be specified mirror matches throughout - got to be one of the best formats to test players skill.
The other think I would like to see is the players in each team ranked over the four periods, so that the higher ranked players would all be playing each other, next ranked players in the next division and so on. The disadvantage is it takes away players choice as to which period they get to play. But will have a better idea of how the present system pans out when the competition is over.
suggest we don't over think it...we do this for fun. players should play the army they want to play, there's other formats to play other army types and encounters; besides there's a ton of variety there (and don't forget...if there was a battle taking place in this region of the world it was a good chance the romans were involved for about 500 years.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:34 am
by w_michael
In spite of my initial post, I have been thinking about future tournaments. What if every player's army selection had to be unique (ally not considered), and you submitted your choice in advance to the moderators along with the number of Force Points that you are willing to sacrifice to get your selection (i.e. bidding)? If there are duplicates then the player with the greatest handicap wins their choice and the others have to resubmit a new choice. You play in the tournament with your Force Point handicap in each tournament round. If your choice is uncontested then you win your choice with no handicap. That seems like a fair way to ensure unique armies without resorting to random selections.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:13 am
by SpeedyCM
Honesty it isn't that surprising that there are lots of Roman armies in period 2 as Rome dominated Europe, North Africa and the Near East in that time frame.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:16 am
by SpeedyCM
If a level playing field is what's wanted then just randomly select one list for each period and have everyone use that army.
For myself I prefer more variety than taking that route.
Re: WTC SUMMARY OF ARMY CHOICES
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:01 pm
by ericdoman1
The WTC is work in progress so we decided on using this system first so players can choose the army they want to play with.
It seems that this is very likely the case in period 2. I had a look at the DL Statistics ... and Roman armies are about equal when it comes to wins and losses. They aren't "super armies".
For next WTC armies will not be posted until all have been received.
The other thing is maybe if agreed upon amongst the moderators, we may drop certain armies next WTC. For example we did not include Andalusians and Arab Conquest armies, as we thought there'd be too many chosen.
Actually I would have like to have included the Chinese etc armies, until it was decided they would be used in DL.
Let's just see how it goes this time around and then iron out the creases if needs be for the next WTC