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Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:22 pm
by Mantuvec
We are pleased to announce another Field of Glory 2 public tournament: “Byzantium Endures” 

This will be played using the normal Field of Glory 2 Multiplayer system and our automated tournament system and anyone who has Field of Glory II can enter. You do not need to own any DLCs to enter. 


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To enter, go to the tournament page here: Tournaments
General tournament rules can be found here: Rules


The first round will commence on Monday 19th July 2021 at 10.00 am GMT. No further entries can be accepted after the tournament has begun.
Specific tournament rules:

This tournament will involve five rounds. Each round will last 14 days. The battles will be Medium-sized custom battles:

[*] Mesopotamia 529 AD: Byzantine 493-550 vs Sassanid 477-590 AD. Middle East Agricultural.
[*] Italy 552 AD: Byzantine 551-578 vs Ostrogothic 493-561. Mediterranean Agricultural.
[*] Anatolia 700 AD: Byzantine 740-903 vs Arab (Umayyad) 685-750 AD. Mediterranean Agricultural.
[*] Bulgaria 986 AD: Byzantine 962-987 vs Bulgar (Danube) 852-1018. North European Hilly.
[*] Syria 998 AD: Byzantine 988-1041 vs Fatimid Egyptian 978-1073. Middle East Agricultural.


Games are paired, so each matchup will be played both ways. Each player will be able to choose his forces using the normal force selection system. In each round, all players will be playing on the same randomly generated map for both games. 

First round pairings will be selected randomly, subsequent rounds using the Swiss Chess system. Nobody will play the same opponent in more than one round. 


The scoring system is as follows

If a game runs to the turn limit, each side scores points equal to the enemy % routed at the turn limit. If the game times out, adjustments may be made, depending on how far the game has progressed and who took longer over their turns – see below. 

If one army breaks, the victorious player scores 60 points plus the difference between the enemy % routed and his own % routed. The loser scores points equal to the winner's % routed. 


Examples 

1) If Ben defeats Tamas's army, and has inflicted 45% routed on Tamas, and Tamas has inflicted 15% on Ben, Ben will score 60 + (45 – 15) = 90, Tamas will score 15.  

2) However, if Ben defeated Tamas’s army by inflicting 62% routed on Tamas, and Tamas had inflicted 56% routed on Ben, Ben would get 60 + (62 – 56) = 66 points, and Tamas would get 56.  

3) If the game is unfinished (or it reached the turn limit) with Ben inflicting 20% routed on Tamas, and Tamas inflicting 10% routed on Ben, Ben would score 20, and Tamas would score 10. (Provided that between them they have played at least 24 turns in all – see below). 

Note that this system rewards aggressive play over desultory skirmishing. If you rout an enemy unit then hide for the rest of the game, both players will get extremely low scores - lower than if they played hard and lost. 


Byes 

If an odd number of players sign up for the tournament, one player will get a bye in each round. In the first round this is random. In subsequent rounds it will be the player with the lowest score. The score for a BYE is 75 points for each game. 


Round times and timing out: 

Each round will last 14 days. 
Any battles that are not completed by the end of the round will be timed out. The player who has had the game in his “My Turns” box the longest overall will be the one who is deemed to be timed out. This will not normally incur any penalties, unless insufficient turns have been played: If the timed-out player has played less than 18 turns, his score will be reduced proportionately, and his opponent will be granted the BYE score if it exceeds his current score. If the timed-out player has played less than 6 turns, he will not be included in the draw for the next round. This is to prevent someone else’s enjoyment being spoiled by being drawn against someone who has apparently dropped out of the tournament. 

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:24 pm
by Holien
I missed this stuck here until an oppo pointed it out, perhaps have it above the last tourney in the announcements section?

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:25 pm
by Holien
Ohh and it goes without saying, thanks for organising a new tournament and I am looking forward to some more games...

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:10 am
by rbodleyscott
Moved to announcements.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:07 pm
by BMAXIMUS
all players will be playing on the same randomly generated map for both games.
Does that mean that everybody is playing the exact same map, or that both mirrored games use the same map, but each fighting pairs get a different map ?

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:08 pm
by Holien
BMAXIMUS wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:07 pm
all players will be playing on the same randomly generated map for both games.
Does that mean that everybody is playing the exact same map
Yes this...

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:00 pm
by tyronec
A small scoring issue on round 3.
I was playing Umayyad in this game and scored 64%
In the tournament it is credited as 62%.

Oddly it was showing 64-64 before the last turn and then it dropped to 62-62, although there were no changes to the in game score which was always 64-62.
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Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:31 pm
by rbodleyscott
tyronec wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:00 pm A small scoring issue on round 3.
I was playing Umayyad in this game and scored 64%
In the tournament it is credited as 62%.

Oddly it was showing 64-64 before the last turn and then it dropped to 62-62, although there were no changes to the in game score which was always 64-62.
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This score is actually correct:

Winner scored 60 + difference between enemy and own rout % = 60 + 2 = 62
Loser scored enemy rout % = 62

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:06 pm
by BMAXIMUS
rbodleyscott wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:31 pm

This score is actually correct:

Winner scored 60 + difference between enemy and own rout % = 60 + 2 = 62
Loser scored enemy rout % = 62
Does that mean that in the even of o 65/64 game , the winner will score 61 but the loser 64 which is more ?
Also, it looks like no army broke therefore shouldn't the score be just the routing % and not the 60+difference formula ?

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:10 am
by tyronec
I thought that if both scores reached 60% then there wasn't a winner.
Seems that you just don't want to let your opponent get to 60% !
Anyway it is not a big deal, even if I had known how the scoring worked I would not have played any differently.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 am
by grahamed
tyronec wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:10 am I thought that if both scores reached 60% then there wasn't a winner.
Seems that you just don't want to let your opponent get to 60% !
Anyway it is not a big deal, even if I had known how the scoring worked I would not have played any differently.
Hey Tyronec, Firstly great game, thanks. Secondly your thoughts mirror my own, a bit like the pic you posted above i got the partnering message saying we both withdraw but your army held the field. When i thought it was a draw, I think the 64/64 to 64/62 thing may have been a rally? Check the last turn replay maybe?

I am though concerned about BMAXIMUS point on 65/64 and indeed what about in an extreme game a 75/74 score, is it really that in a 75/74 game ( lots of breaks and a couple of rallies in the last turn) that the winner would score 61 and the looser 74? If so surely the winners score 60+ rule needs changing to “60+ or actual score if greater”

All the best Graham

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:27 pm
by BMAXIMUS
grahamed wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 am
I am though concerned about BMAXIMUS point on 65/64 and indeed what about in an extreme game a 75/74 score, is it really that in a 75/74 game ( lots of breaks and a couple of rallies in the last turn) that the winner would score 61 and the looser 74? If so surely the winners score 60+ rule needs changing to “60+ or actual score if greater”

All the best Graham
In case of 75/74 I would much prefer the score to 61/60 (for example by capping the loser score to 60 or even less). Giving 75 points (the same as 60/45) would be unfair for the second. Even more some rewarding the loser with 74 points.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:47 pm
by BMAXIMUS
Maybe the loser in 75/74 should follow the same formula 60-difference which will give in that case 59. Just a suggestion.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:54 pm
by grahamed
Either way the least fair option is surely for the winner to score less than the loser

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:31 am
by rbodleyscott
tyronec wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:10 am I thought that if both scores reached 60% then there wasn't a winner.
No, there is a winer.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:33 am
by rbodleyscott
grahamed wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 am I am though concerned about BMAXIMUS point on 65/64 and indeed what about in an extreme game a 75/74 score, is it really that in a 75/74 game ( lots of breaks and a couple of rallies in the last turn) that the winner would score 61 and the looser 74? If so surely the winners score 60+ rule needs changing to “60+ or actual score if greater”
No, the loser's score is capped at a maximum of the winner's score. So the loser can never score more than the winner.

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:12 am
by grahamed
rbodleyscott wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:33 am
grahamed wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 am I am though concerned about BMAXIMUS point on 65/64 and indeed what about in an extreme game a 75/74 score, is it really that in a 75/74 game ( lots of breaks and a couple of rallies in the last turn) that the winner would score 61 and the looser 74? If so surely the winners score 60+ rule needs changing to “60+ or actual score if greater”
No, the loser's score is capped at a maximum of the winner's score. So the loser can never score more than the winner.
Ahh thanks , thats sensible

Re: Byzantium Endures - Tournament

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:00 pm
by Holien
Congratulations to those that played the tournament and well done to Tyronec who won.

I really enjoyed the format and the various force match ups.

Hope there might be another along at some stage, until then I look forward to the digital league and the Silk road games.

Not sure who choose the tournament matches but thanks to them and the admin team...