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adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:37 am However, while I'm not looking to deploy every single one of my units in most battles, I do hope we see a significant increase on average that goes beyond just dealing with the "core inflation."

What are your thoughts?

Scrapulous wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:37 pm I hope the limit won't be so high that you can just convert all of your PzIIIFs into Tigers on a one-for-one basis and expect to deploy them all. I'd like to see some reasons to field the the light and medium tanks beyond "I have 2 core spots left, I might as well toss this old Panzer III in there." In late 1941 there's a little bit of slot tension that I see when evaluating whether to upgrade my Char B1 to a KV-1, for instance. The KV-1 is somewhat better, but costs more core slots. The Char is spectacularly slot-efficient, so it winds up supporting the assault on Moscow. Slot efficiency is an interesting way to look at units and I think it adds to the game; if there is too much inflation of core slots, then that will disappear.

Another example: the 8-rad recons become available in '41, but cost 3 slots, which is 1 more than every other recon available to that point. Their stats are not much different than what has come before, with one crucial exception: their movement type is All Terrain, which frees them from roads and makes them viable in the mud and snow of the Russian maps to come. That's a case where I'm willing to let my slot efficiency drop (i.e. the amount of attack and defense stat per core slot spent), because the improved mobility is essential: a 2 slot recon that can never make it to any battles isn't worth much to me, while a 3 slot recon that can get where I need it is great.

If core space always increases to match the increased core cost of units, then... well, I'd argue that's a failure of the core slot design. At that point, every unit might as well cost one core slot, or you may as well be given, for example, room for 6 infantry units, 4 armor units, 2 recon units, 4 artillery units, etc.

Bee1976 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:55 am

adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:37 am However, while I'm not looking to deploy every single one of my units in most battles, I do hope we see a significant increase on average that goes beyond just dealing with the "core inflation."

What are your thoughts?

Well i hope for the same. I enjoy big battles and many enemies and big maps. And of course the ability to deploy a big core

adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:21 pmIn the past several playthroughs, the game has been very stingy in awarding me Zero and Reduced Slot heroes. In the last one I only have 2 Zero and 2 Reduced Slot heroes by the end of 1941.

I just hope that some units gets fixed in the process as well. It's just odd when the Hetzer costs more slots than a StuG III or IV. If anything, it should be less. That was the whole point of that vehicle after all, a cheap and small tank-destroyer that can be produced in large numbers.

Vorskl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:45 pm

I just hope that some units gets fixed in the process as well. It's just odd when the Hetzer costs more slots than a StuG III or IV. If anything, it should be less. That was the whole point of that vehicle after all, a cheap and small tank-destroyer that can be produced in large numbers.

Some time ago I made a deep-dive into statistics of air units and I could not understand the logic of how unit stats were made and how they were supposed to be balanced. Just ignore and move on - PC3, maybe.

Scrapulous wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:44 pm

Vorskl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:45 pm

I just hope that some units gets fixed in the process as well. It's just odd when the Hetzer costs more slots than a StuG III or IV. If anything, it should be less. That was the whole point of that vehicle after all, a cheap and small tank-destroyer that can be produced in large numbers.

Some time ago I made a deep-dive into statistics of air units and I could not understand the logic of how unit stats were made and how they were supposed to be balanced. Just ignore and move on - PC3, maybe.

Another option is that we could build a units file with the stats changes that seem right to us and release it as a mod.

makoto14 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:35 am i wish core slots would change more with your performance, like after bagration in the original campaign. If you do well in a battle or stop a attach you should get more, if things aren't going well slots should go down. it should be more dynamic than at the beginning of this battle you will always have X slots and the next battle will always be X+Y slots. Like it would be interesting to weight a situation where i might lose this core unit in this battle but if i can get this last victory objective it would help prevent me from losing slots type of scenario. Right now its always go slow and safe and make sure you finish before the timer runs out. I really liked bagration because it made you agressivly defend the initial front line to get the extra core slots in the north instead of immediately turtling in the last eastern city behind the rivers and building up entrenchment.

makoto14 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:35 am If you do well in a battle or stop a attach you should get more, if things aren't going well slots should go down.

makoto14 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:35 am . . . If you do well in a battle or stop a attach you should get more, if things aren't going well slots should go down. . . .