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Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:52 pm
by Vorskl
Hi Kerensky,
I just replayed Kiev specifically hunting for the BP-56 Panzerzug and it is not captureable! Even with the 'Scavenger' hero. I get the money, but not the unit.
The same applied to the panzerzug from the Lvov DCL 1940 scenario - you only get $$$, but not the unit itself.
Why such discrimination?
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:56 pm
by adiekmann
Vorskl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:52 pm
Hi Kerensky,
I just replayed Kiev specifically hunting for the BP-56 Panzerzug and it is not captureable! Even with the 'Scavenger' hero. I get the money, but not the unit.
The same applied to the panzerzug from the Lvov DCL 1940 scenario - you only get $$$, but not the unit itself.
Why such discrimination?
I noticed that a long time ago in AO39 too, but since you already have one and it has unlimited replacements I never found it to be a big deal. Then you get another in AO41 and...well, again not a big deal.
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:59 pm
by Vorskl
adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:56 pm
Vorskl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:52 pm
Hi Kerensky,
I just replayed Kiev specifically hunting for the BP-56 Panzerzug and it is not captureable! Even with the 'Scavenger' hero. I get the money, but not the unit.
The same applied to the panzerzug from the Lvov DCL 1940 scenario - you only get $$$, but not the unit itself.
Why such discrimination?
I noticed that a long time ago in AO39 too, but since you already have one and it has unlimited replacements I never found it to be a big deal. Then you get another in AO41 and...well, again not a big deal.
Panzerzugs are very effective in the late 1941 scenarios with shitty weather and road conditions. And they are fun!
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 pm
by adiekmann
Vorskl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:59 pm
adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:56 pm
Vorskl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:52 pm
Hi Kerensky,
I just replayed Kiev specifically hunting for the BP-56 Panzerzug and it is not captureable! Even with the 'Scavenger' hero. I get the money, but not the unit.
The same applied to the panzerzug from the Lvov DCL 1940 scenario - you only get $$$, but not the unit itself.
Why such discrimination?
I noticed that a long time ago in AO39 too, but since you already have one and it has unlimited replacements I never found it to be a big deal. Then you get another in AO41 and...well, again not a big deal.
Panzerzugs are very effective in the late 1941 scenarios with shitty weather and road conditions. And they are fun!
True, and I even mentioned that at one point during the Beta that I use them more in AO41 than ever before. However, you already have two of them by then, and since they're on tracks and only have a 3 range, it would be difficult on most maps to use more than two anyway. That's why I said not a big deal. It's like having 7 recon aircraft. No use for that many.
A better question is this: Why do they not provide any kind of Artillery/AT support fire like regular artillery units???
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm
by Vorskl
adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 pm
Vorskl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:59 pm
adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:56 pm
I noticed that a long time ago in AO39 too, but since you already have one and it has unlimited replacements I never found it to be a big deal. Then you get another in AO41 and...well, again not a big deal.
Panzerzugs are very effective in the late 1941 scenarios with shitty weather and road conditions. And they are fun!
True, and I even mentioned that at one point during the Beta that I use them more in AO41 than ever before. However, you already have two of them by then, and since they're on tracks and only have a 3 range, it would be difficult on most maps to use more than two anyway. That's why I said not a big deal. It's like having 7 recon aircraft. No use for that many.
A better question is this: Why do they not provide any kind of Artillery/AT support fire like regular artillery units???
Yes, Panzerzugs require serious updates:
- AT capability (with 105 - 152 mm guns it's kinda obvious)
- AA guns (I have seen photos of the trains with 88 Flaks mounted on them)
- capturability. From the history, we know German captured and re-used at least one train -
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instan ... yakov.html
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 pm
by Duedman
I captured HMS King George V and also could not field it. I was very disappointed
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:37 pm
by Vorskl
I wanted to deploy two of my PZ at Mozhaisk, but...it turned out that PZs are not overstrengthable? Why so?
The way game treats PZs is as if they were battleships. I get that you should be able to 'overstrength' Bismarck or Rodney, but trains??? Add another railcar, but a Flak or a captured T-26 and here is your 'overstrength'.
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:44 pm
by Edmon
Duedman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 pm
I captured HMS King George V and also could not field it. I was very disappointed
I'd ship that.
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:59 pm
by Vorskl
Edmon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:44 pm
Duedman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 pm
I captured HMS King George V and also could not field it. I was very disappointed
I'd ship that.
Edmon, if you guys introduce naval trophies into the game AKA piracy, make sure to make the prestige balance right.
Bismark cost was 198MM of reichmarks, give or take $100MM in 1940. StugIII at that time costed 80-100k reichmarks at most. Basically, you capture Rodneo or Bismark with a 'Scavenger' trait and you should not worry about your prestige till 1970s
Re: Panzerzugs are not captureable?
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:54 pm
by Edmon
Vorskl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:59 pm
Edmon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:44 pm
Duedman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 pm
I captured HMS King George V and also could not field it. I was very disappointed
I'd ship that.
Edmon, if you guys introduce naval trophies into the game AKA piracy, make sure to make the prestige balance right.
Bismark cost was 198MM of reichmarks, give or take $100MM in 1940. StugIII at that time costed 80-100k reichmarks at most. Basically, you capture Rodneo or Bismark with a 'Scavenger' trait and you should not worry about your prestige till 1970s
It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Who is gonna buy your stolen shipping?
