Slitherine

based on an account of the battle of la Forbie.

an-Nasir Dawud, Emir of Kerak TC - - - - - - CinC
al-Mansur Ibrahim, Emir of Hims TC - - - - - - -
as-Salih Isma'il of Damascus TC - - - - - - -
Armand de Périgord TC - - - - - - Ally general
1 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
2 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
3 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
4 Bedouin Cavalry LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
5 Bedouin Cavalry LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
6 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
7 Ghilman Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
8 Ghilman Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
9 Templar Crossbow MF Protected Average Drilled Crossbow - - - 6
10 Templar Spearmen HF Armoured Average Drilled - defensive spearmen Spearmen - 6
11 Walter IV of Brienne Kn Heavily armoured Superior Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
12 Knights Templar Knights Kn Heavily armoured Superior Drilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4

798pts in total.

Views would be appreciated.

I'd like a third 'proper' superior group - so you'd get one to give the Knights rear support, and one for either flank of the knights. Is it possible to drop a general and some LH to afford it?

Something like this?

an-Nasir Dawud, Emir of Kerak TC - - - - - - CinC
al-Mansur Ibrahim, Emir of Hims TC - - - - - - -
Armand de Périgord TC - - - - - - Ally general
1 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
2 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
3 Turcomans LH Unprotected Average Undrilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
4 Bedouin Cavalry LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
5 Bedouin Cavalry LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
6 Ghilman Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
7 Ghilman Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
8 Ghilman Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bow - Swordmen - 4
9 Templar Crossbow MF Protected Average Drilled Crossbow - - - 6
10 Templar Spearmen HF Armoured Average Drilled - defensive spearmen Spearmen - 6
11 Walter IV of Brienne Kn Heavily armoured Superior Undrilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4
12 Knights Templar Knights Kn Heavily armoured Superior Drilled - Lancers Swordmen - 4

Comes to 799pts

Yep looks good to me

I'm not familiar with the list but I'm assuming both Knight BGs are allies?

If they are allies - the potential downside of any Knight on Knight action is that any opponent is likely to have Commanders with 2 or more Knight BGs - which puts one of yours at a potential disadvantage.

I used to run 2 Serb Ally Knight BGs with my Ottomans (before the list was published) and always found that the BG without a general died pretty quickly.

Pete

petedalby wrote:I used to run 2 Serb Ally Knight BGs with my Ottomans (before the list was published) and always found that the BG without a general died pretty quickly.

Be a real man Pete, use the Ottomans without any Serbs at all. (Actually they worked pretty well without any MF Janissaries either).

That's one of the attractions of this list - it has so many options.

Currently working on how to get all 6 Serbs and all 16 Janissaries!!

Pete

petedalby wrote:I'm not familiar with the list but I'm assuming both Knight BGs are allies?

If they are allies - the potential downside of any Knight on Knight action is that any opponent is likely to have Commanders with 2 or more Knight BGs - which puts one of yours at a potential disadvantage.

I used to run 2 Serb Ally Knight BGs with my Ottomans (before the list was published) and always found that the BG without a general died pretty quickly.

Pete

The intention is to run the Ally General with the Superior Undrilled and let the Superior drilled look after themselves but within command range of the AG. Knowing what I'll be facing at my local club I know there isn't a lot of knight killers around in their armies.

If you did want TCs with both then Ilkhanid with Armenian allies can do it (though some knights are only armoured). But sounds like you want to use Syrians. In fact I have a Syrian army - hmmm.

grahambriggs wrote:If you did want TCs with both then Ilkhanid with Armenian allies can do it (though some knights are only armoured). But sounds like you want to use Syrians. In fact I have a Syrian army - hmmm.

I have used the Syrian States army organised pretty much as above. It is quite effective. However, as has been said above, the problem is only having one general for 2 BGs of knights. This in fact affects both BGs, because it is extremely risky to put the AG into close combat as if he is killed your entire ally contingent is effectively screwed as nothing can ever be bolstered thereafter.

Essentially this means that the knights will not fight as effectively as they would if they were part of the main army. (And hence are not as good value).

This is not to say that the army is no good, merely that the knights have to be used with more finesse.