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The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:11 am
by Bladeheart
Please excuse the impatience, but could some one please explain to me how the Standard Wagon unit is suppose to be used in this game?
Having watched some of the YouTube videos circulating at the moment, I am left confused as to whether this unit exerts a unique zone of influence as it were, or is purely a particularly strong unit.
Many thanks.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:39 am
by rbodleyscott
Here is the section from the manual:
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The effect of the latter paragraph is that they are extremely difficult to destroy.
Why didn't didn't we use a simply CT modifier for having a standard wagon? Because it would be OP if it affected the whole army, and it would not reflect their historical effect if it only affected nearby units.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:25 am
by Athos1660
^ Very attractive manual !!! Very immersive. Well done.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:48 pm
by Bladeheart
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:39 am
Here is the section from the manual:
manual.jpg
The effect of the latter paragraph is that they are extremely difficult to destroy.
Why didn't didn't we use a simply CT modifier for having a standard wagon? Because it would be OP if it affected the whole army, and it would not reflect their historical effect if it only affected nearby units.
Thank you for the explanation, and personally I like the game design for this unit.
The only further question that comes to mind is what defines the centre of an army's deployment, though that can wait.
Cheers.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:23 pm
by rbodleyscott
Bladeheart wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:48 pmThe only further question that comes to mind is what defines the centre of an army
It is the average of the X and Y positions of all of the non-routed on-map units in the army, weighted 2:1 in favour of non-light units.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:40 pm
by jimwinsor
Any thoughts about creating a stationary unit with the same effect as the Standard Wagon, and calling it a "Baggage Camp?" Make it a juicy target somewhere behind the opponents' lines?
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:51 pm
by rbodleyscott
jimwinsor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:40 pm
Any thoughts about creating a stationary unit with the same effect as the Standard Wagon, and calling it a "Baggage Camp?" Make it a juicy target somewhere behind the opponents' lines?
Certainly worth thinking about.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:05 pm
by Bladeheart
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:23 pm
Bladeheart wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:48 pmThe only further question that comes to mind is what defines the centre of an army
It is the average of the X and Y positions of all of the non-routed on-map units in the army, weighted 2:1 in favour of non-light units.
Thank you.
Obviously as the battle progresses the 'centre' will shift position, Is there a option to display this on the map? Or has it been found that in practise the '... no more than 4 squares further away from the enemy centre then is their own army's centre.' makes such a feature of little value?
cheers.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:16 am
by rbodleyscott
Bladeheart wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:05 pm
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:23 pm
Bladeheart wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:48 pmThe only further question that comes to mind is what defines the centre of an army
It is the average of the X and Y positions of all of the non-routed on-map units in the army, weighted 2:1 in favour of non-light units.
Thank you.
Obviously as the battle progresses the 'centre' will shift position, Is there a option to display this on the map? Or has it been found that in practise the '... no more than 4 squares further away from the enemy centre then is their own army's centre.' makes such a feature of little value?
As you say, it isn't needed in practice. The rule was only instituted to stop players from keeping their Standard Wagon safe at the back of the map. If they don't try to exploit the rules by putting the Standard Wagon in odd positions, they should never encounter the issue of it not counting.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:58 pm
by Geffalrus
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:51 pm
Certainly worth thinking about.
Perhaps for a special battle type where one side or the other has a baggage camp/tent/whatever to capture/rout that automatically wins/loses the battle?
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:52 pm
by Bladeheart
rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:16 am
As you say, it isn't needed in practice. The rule was only instituted to stop players from keeping their Standard Wagon safe at the back of the map. If they don't try to exploit the rules by putting the Standard Wagon in odd positions, they should never encounter the issue of it not counting.
Cheers.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:11 am
by bodkin
How does the computer opponent handle the wagon when using or fighting against it? Does it prioritise attacking it? It looks extremely tough and I’m worried it will be too easy to exploit it’s benefits against a cpu army.
Re: The Standard Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:13 am
by rbodleyscott
bodkin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:11 am
How does the computer opponent handle the wagon when using or fighting against it? Does it prioritise attacking it? It looks extremely tough and I’m worried it will be too easy to exploit it’s benefits against a cpu army.
It does not prioritise attacking it. As it is a tough nut to crack, AI units are likely to seek an easier target if they have a choice.