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What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:33 am
by w_michael
It isn't in the manual, but the Patch Notes says: "An army with a leader can attack with a 'Retaliate Expedition' order that will make them not conquer the region (and still fight the enemy)". This isn't like a raid because you have to be at war with the target region, but I don't see much benefit. I have to admit that I haven't tried one. Does It gain money if successful? Are there any other benefits?

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:50 pm
by Gray Fox
Originally, this allowed you to attack a faction or an independent/rebel region, without acquiring a piece of crap. I pointed out in a post that this could be used so you gain a slave and also train a stack of units every turn if the region was rebel. I believe that Pocus had the devs change that, so it may be less useful now.

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Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:31 am
by Pocus
The aim is to destroy or weaken an enemy army in a region you don't want to conquer. This is about neutralizing a menace at your border, you want to trash them but don't want to expand.

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:38 pm
by w_michael
So it is more of a preemptive strike rather than a retaliation, because the target actually hasn't done anything to retaliate against. I get that you might not want to capture a poor region so this is a good, but situational option.

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:42 pm
by QA
So it's basically for when you want to do something like Germanicus' punitive expedition into Germany then, I take it.

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am
by Surt
QA wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:42 pm So it's basically for when you want to do something like Germanicus' punitive expedition into Germany then, I take it.
Or when you want to ramp up your warscore against someone you don't want to conquer.

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:39 am
by Pocus
w_michael wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:38 pm So it is more of a preemptive strike rather than a retaliation, because the target actually hasn't done anything to retaliate against. I get that you might not want to capture a poor region so this is a good, but situational option.
Yes, but it has to be a single word, not too long ideally :D

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:09 pm
by w_michael
How about Strike? Raid to plunder and Strike to inflict casualties. Neither captures the target region.

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:26 pm
by dunnsa
Punish

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:39 pm
by Gray Fox
"Fear Us!"

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:34 am
by Pocus
Strike could do the trick yes, even if that's not a preemptive strike as it would be. Or perhaps that's a just retaliation :D

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:23 am
by poesel71
I always found 'preemptive retaliation' such a useful political tool. Unfortunately that name is too long.
:D

Edit: two typos :oops:

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:21 am
by w_michael
Pocus wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:34 am Strike could do the trick yes, even if that's not a preemptive strike as it would be. Or perhaps that's a just retaliation :D
Strike is a hard Anglo-Saxon sounding word, whereas retaliation (with a French pronunciation) is song-like with six syllables. :D

Re: What Good is Retaliate?

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:26 am
by TimDee58
Punitive Raid