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hammy wrote:
900, the same size as Burton. I know Graham has 19 or so at 800 but he must be cutting corners somewhere. The Burton list we used was all missile and mounted troops as superior, all foot armoured, all BGs apart from the Huns 4 and all TCs.

Well his list was quoted at least once in the Britcon thread so I'm sure you can play around with that and see what you can get at 800 with auxilia in BGs of 6 bases (which can be 4+2).

I just realised that you can't have 7 BGs of 4+2 because you can only have 36 auxillia and the archers come from the same maximum. You can instead have an extra BG of legionaries which to be honest isn't a problem and if anything at the weekend I would have been very happy to have.
17 BGs, and tweaked to 4 TCs rather than an IC and 2 TCs but that is because I prefer it that way.

There is a version of the swarm here. http://www.madaxeman.com/wiki2/tiki-ind ... nate+Roman

If restricting it to 6's means there are only 7 possible BGs of auxilia that may in itself be enough - Graham uses the full 9 AFAIK

If anyone else has any ideas on using the army, they can add them to the wiki - Hammy, I'll add your latest version for starters (is it 900 or 800?)
tim

madaxeman wrote: I also struggle to see how the army list should be allowing a Roman army to turn up with all its bowmen, LF and light horse as superior, and all its auxiliaries and legionaries as average quality.

Meant to pick up on this one earlier as it is a good point from the historical PoV - what would happen do you think if, say, you had to have at least as many non-shooty Superior BGs as you had shooty ones? Remembering there is already a restriction on the number of Superior BGs you can have.

madaxeman wrote: If restricting it to 6's means there are only 7 possible BGs of auxilia that may in itself be enough - Graham uses the full 9 AFAIK

As Hammy noted only 6 - max of 36 field army auxilia. You can have more auxilia but then they are Poor IIRC.

nikgaukroger wrote:

madaxeman wrote: If restricting it to 6's means there are only 7 possible BGs of auxilia that may in itself be enough - Graham uses the full 9 AFAIK

As Hammy noted only 6 - max of 36 field army auxilia. You can have more auxilia but then they are Poor IIRC.

As in all but one of our games in Burton at least two, if not four of the MF BGs didn't actually get into action a reduction in numbers would not be that much of a loss IMO.

A reduction in the numbers of MF Armd BG would be a massive loss. You do not realise, or have decided to ignore the threat they cause.

I could not use the centre of the table in our game against you at Burton.

You had at least 4 BG of Aux sat 6 MU from your baseline in a large piece of uneven there. They played no part in the combat but, If I had started to cross the table you would have pulled my formation to bits with your lights and commenced with the interception charges.

philqw78 wrote:A reduction in the numbers of MF Armd BG would be a massive loss. You do not realise, or have decided to ignore the threat they cause.

I could not use the centre of the table in our game against you at Burton.

You had at least 4 BG of Aux sat 6 MU from your baseline in a large piece of uneven there. They played no part in the combat but, If I had started to cross the table you would have pulled my formation to bits with your lights and commenced with the interception charges.

True, I had 4 'spare' BGs there and another 'spare' one on the left. Had I only had three BGs in the terrain waiting I don't think it would have made much difference especially if they were bigger and better BGs.

But if the BG minimum was 6 bases you would have 3 less BG of Armd Aux. A big difference in effectiveness of the army. What could you put in their place?

I would have an extra BG of legionaries who are actually better in the open than the Aux and where I was often needing to use a pair of BGs (which to be honest I didn't do that much against you) I would have been able to use one from time to time.

It might be a bit harder work and need a bit more thought and planning but I think that I could achieve similar effects with only 6 MF Bgs and an extra BG of legionaries. You might find BGs of 4+2 Aux deployed 3 wide in places but that isn't IMO much of an issue.

I think you used some of your moderator super powers here Hammy as the quote is the bit I wrote originally. Hmmm! Power corrupts.

Nick

I think you have it. 'Meant to pick up on this one earlier as it is a good point from the historical PoV - what would happen do you think if, say, you had to have at least as many non-shooty Superior BGs as you had shooty ones?' I can't state 100% what the historical justification is after the legion reform but it seems to fit that the Legion and Aux Platina (sp?) etc would be better than, or as good, as the shooty stuff.

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timmy1 wrote:Nick

I think you have it. 'Meant to pick up on this one earlier as it is a good point from the historical PoV - what would happen do you think if, say, you had to have at least as many non-shooty Superior BGs as you had shooty ones?' I can't state 100% what the historical justification is after the legion reform but it seems to fit that the Legion and Aux Platina (sp?) etc would be better than, or as good, as the shooty stuff.

Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid as there are Palatina shooty units and Palatina is a guide for being Superior.

What we have got wrong IMO is that you can just take them without other Superior BGs - NB this is not saying that there will be a chnage to the list so don't read anything into that statement.

philqw78 wrote:

But if the BG minimum was 6 bases you would have 3 less BG of Armd Aux. A big difference in effectiveness of the army. What could you put in their place?

I would have an extra BG of legionaries who are actually better in the open than the Aux and where I was often needing to use a pair of BGs (which to be honest I didn't do that much against you) I would have been able to use one from time to time.

It might be a bit harder work and need a bit more thought and planning but I think that I could achieve similar effects with only 6 MF Bgs and an extra BG of legionaries. You might find BGs of 4+2 Aux deployed 3 wide in places but that isn't IMO much of an issue.

I think you used some of your moderator super powers here Hammy as the quote is the bit I wrote originally. Hmmm! Power corrupts.

Yes, I am not sure what happened there. The extra BG of legionaries is what I posted hmm....

Out of curiosity, has any one tried the small MF Auxiliary BGs Dominate army in 25mm at 650AP?

In the interests of determining if it's a 'killer' army it might add to the discussion either way. Of course there is the point that 25mm events are more likely to be open events so shedloads of small MF BGs could end up as speed bumps for knights.

Steve P

stenic wrote:Out of curiosity, has any one tried the small MF Auxiliary BGs Dominate army in 25mm at 650AP?

In the interests of determining if it's a 'killer' army it might add to the discussion either way. Of course there is the point that 25mm events are more likely to be open events so shedloads of small MF BGs could end up as speed bumps for knights.

Steve P

I haven't but am considering buying the new Zvezda figures to let me make one

Well I've got enough late Principate/early Dominate 28mm figs so I could do ...

nikgaukroger wrote:Well I've got enough late Principate/early Dominate 28mm figs so I could do ...

Sounds like you should give it a try

I'm about to do something similar with the Bosporans at the Oxford 25mm comp tis weekend
David

Nik I agree 'What we have got wrong IMO is that you can just take them without other Superior BGs'. Shame about 'NB this is not saying that there will be a chnage to the list so don't read anything into that statement.' Really think you should have an errata to the list if you as the list author recognise tht there is no known historical precident to allow the currently used config.

Understand about the rest of the clarification, I was oversimplifying.

Oh (and btw), I have gone out and purchased a Dominate Roman army, on the 'if you can't beat them join them' principle. In truth I have been looking for one ever since I came back to ancients, now taken the plunge.

Nik

Well I've got enough late Principate/early Dominate 28mm figs so I could do ...

You know you keep putting this off

Personally I don't think it will work on 650 points.

Don