. Let me assure you, work is going on full bore... as soon as I am allowed to share I will.sameGomezAdams wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:32 pm Looking forward to it. I haven't played a Pacific game since Pacific General in 1997.
Well, it doesn't necessarily mean you win Wake. They can play with the history here a bit. The Americans did actually repulse the initial Japanese attack and force them to reinforce and come back with stronger support forces. A relief task force was headed to Wake, but then turned around. So it isn't too far-fetched that if you hold the island, you and your men get rescued before the new Japanese force arrives.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible. Also i thing that the rank of our character in the story should be a lower rank then general, maybe Colonel or Major because of the highes rank on Wake Island was Commander Winfield Cunningham and i dont think you can write off his importants of Wake Island, not only that they have about 1,800 people on the island but only about 500 where combat personnel so its going to be a stuff fight for us in the campaign. I hope you keep us on the edge of our sits in this campaign cause i feel it going to be alot harder the perveus DLC
adiekmann wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:59 amWell, it doesn't necessarily mean you win Wake. They can play with the history here a bit. The Americans did actually repulse the initial Japanese attack and force them to reinforce and come back with stronger support forces. A relief task force was headed to Wake, but then turned around. So it isn't too far-fetched that if you hold the island, you and your men get rescued before the new Japanese force arrives.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible. Also i thing that the rank of our character in the story should be a lower rank then general, maybe Colonel or Major because of the highes rank on Wake Island was Commander Winfield Cunningham and i dont think you can write off his importants of Wake Island, not only that they have about 1,800 people on the island but only about 500 where combat personnel so its going to be a stuff fight for us in the campaign. I hope you keep us on the edge of our sits in this campaign cause i feel it going to be alot harder the perveus DLC
Also i do feel the player character should be a lower rank in the story and we rise in rank over the mission this way we start with little units at the start and grow more powerful as the war goes onCaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:04 amadiekmann wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:59 amWell, it doesn't necessarily mean you win Wake. They can play with the history here a bit. The Americans did actually repulse the initial Japanese attack and force them to reinforce and come back with stronger support forces. A relief task force was headed to Wake, but then turned around. So it isn't too far-fetched that if you hold the island, you and your men get rescued before the new Japanese force arrives.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible. Also i thing that the rank of our character in the story should be a lower rank then general, maybe Colonel or Major because of the highes rank on Wake Island was Commander Winfield Cunningham and i dont think you can write off his importants of Wake Island, not only that they have about 1,800 people on the island but only about 500 where combat personnel so its going to be a stuff fight for us in the campaign. I hope you keep us on the edge of our sits in this campaign cause i feel it going to be alot harder the perveus DLC
that true i do hope there a story moment where you the character try to covens the commander of Wake Island to keep fighting
It was impossible. Wake was, in effect, abandoned. They KNEW they were going to lose. You have to remember, that battle started essentially the day after Pearl Harbor. Our navy was decimated. We didn't want to risk hurling what we had left into a battle we were already outmanned in.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible.
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True but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.GomezAdams wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:36 pmIt was impossible. Wake was, in effect, abandoned. They KNEW they were going to lose. You have to remember, that battle started essentially the day after Pearl Harbor. Our navy was decimated. We didn't want to risk hurling what we had left into a battle we were already outmanned in.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible.
Wake already had enough forces to be a delaying tactic. They wanted Japan to have to pay a price for it, not just give it to them. But from the moment it started we were really in no position to fight that battle off.
Frankly, it's amazing they held on as long as they did.
I was thinking in terms of the game's narrative. As things happened for real, all the defenders were lost (killed or POW). So how can you build a core from this scenario to the next if you follow history exactly? You can't without changing some things and that's always been true to some degree or another since the original Panzer General. What I meant by my previous post is that it isn't a big stretch to say that if you defeated the initial invasion attempt, the relief force could come and rescue you, i.e. evacuate your troops (core). That way you could have gained some experience and continue.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:56 pmTrue but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.GomezAdams wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:36 pmIt was impossible. Wake was, in effect, abandoned. They KNEW they were going to lose. You have to remember, that battle started essentially the day after Pearl Harbor. Our navy was decimated. We didn't want to risk hurling what we had left into a battle we were already outmanned in.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:33 am I would like to see how the USA could have won Wake Island. Cause from what i have read and watch about the topet it seem kind of impossible.
Wake already had enough forces to be a delaying tactic. They wanted Japan to have to pay a price for it, not just give it to them. But from the moment it started we were really in no position to fight that battle off.
Frankly, it's amazing they held on as long as they did.
the Filipino well that will be tuff to said there was a chose that Mac Author made where he could take all of the lockat food to feed his men but he desited not to because it would piss off the Filipino but that was a unknown but they did have a plan to hold out like Wake until they get reenforced from the US and it would have work if Mac Aruther follow the plan from the startedadiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:32 amI was thinking in terms of the game's narrative. As things happened for real, all the defenders were lost (killed or POW). So how can you build a core from this scenario to the next if you follow history exactly? You can't without changing some things and that's always been true to some degree or another since the original Panzer General. What I meant by my previous post is that it isn't a big stretch to say that if you defeated the initial invasion attempt, the relief force could come and rescue you, i.e. evacuate your troops (core). That way you could have gained some experience and continue.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:56 pmTrue but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.GomezAdams wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:36 pm
It was impossible. Wake was, in effect, abandoned. They KNEW they were going to lose. You have to remember, that battle started essentially the day after Pearl Harbor. Our navy was decimated. We didn't want to risk hurling what we had left into a battle we were already outmanned in.
Wake already had enough forces to be a delaying tactic. They wanted Japan to have to pay a price for it, not just give it to them. But from the moment it started we were really in no position to fight that battle off.
Frankly, it's amazing they held on as long as they did.
What to do about those Filipino scenarios, though? That requires a bit more fiction for your core to survive.
One possibility is that your only core units are air and naval early in the DLC. They could be evacuated or withdrawn easily enough from all of these other early scenarios without requiring such a long exaggeration of the truth (history) to explain how your ground core units survived from one battle to the next.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:58 amthe Filipino well that will be tuff to said there was a chose that Mac Author made where he could take all of the lockat food to feed his men but he desited not to because it would piss off the Filipino but that was a unknown but they did have a plan to hold out like Wake until they get reenforced from the US and it would have work if Mac Aruther follow the plan from the startedadiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:32 amI was thinking in terms of the game's narrative. As things happened for real, all the defenders were lost (killed or POW). So how can you build a core from this scenario to the next if you follow history exactly? You can't without changing some things and that's always been true to some degree or another since the original Panzer General. What I meant by my previous post is that it isn't a big stretch to say that if you defeated the initial invasion attempt, the relief force could come and rescue you, i.e. evacuate your troops (core). That way you could have gained some experience and continue.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:56 pm
True but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.
What to do about those Filipino scenarios, though? That requires a bit more fiction for your core to survive.
That sounds about true because that mostly what the US would have down in reality but the other thing to was that when the Japanese did most of the attack they where outnumber in almost all of there battle in one example is the Fall of Singapore if the British forces knew how many Japanese troops where attacking them and where tired and low on ammo they the British would of have rally and beaten them. Like most of there wins in there campaigns for the Pacific Ocean they where luck and most of the commanders at the time ether underestmat them or where trying to find out what to do or where surprise of the attacks you can look up some of this stuff on youtube channel World War 2 in real time by Indy Nidel it week by week he did not said the japanese got luck part that by my view of the events.adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:40 amOne possibility is that your only core units are air and naval early in the DLC. They could be evacuated or withdrawn easily enough from all of these other early scenarios without requiring such a long exaggeration of the truth (history) to explain how your ground core units survived from one battle to the next.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:58 amthe Filipino well that will be tuff to said there was a chose that Mac Author made where he could take all of the lockat food to feed his men but he desited not to because it would piss off the Filipino but that was a unknown but they did have a plan to hold out like Wake until they get reenforced from the US and it would have work if Mac Aruther follow the plan from the startedadiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:32 am
I was thinking in terms of the game's narrative. As things happened for real, all the defenders were lost (killed or POW). So how can you build a core from this scenario to the next if you follow history exactly? You can't without changing some things and that's always been true to some degree or another since the original Panzer General. What I meant by my previous post is that it isn't a big stretch to say that if you defeated the initial invasion attempt, the relief force could come and rescue you, i.e. evacuate your troops (core). That way you could have gained some experience and continue.
What to do about those Filipino scenarios, though? That requires a bit more fiction for your core to survive.
The relief force would in all likelihood have been obliterated before it ever landed. There's a reason they were called back.adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:32 am True but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.
true but that just died they never menction wounded and i dont think the relived force would of been destory they where two weeks away before they found out about the second attackGomezAdams wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:50 pmThe relief force would in all likelihood have been obliterated before it ever landed. There's a reason they were called back.adiekmann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:32 am True but there was a US relfieve force coming to help to thought and there could of been a way for the US force on the Island to hold out longer then they did they were on the defense and 800 Japanese died in the battle and full third of there force and for the American they lost about 150 personnel so far for the island and most of those were civilian contractors I think what lose them the battle was them being broken up in to three shipert pokens.
In any invasion against a fixed position, especially amphibious, it takes roughly a 3 to 1 to 5 to 1 numerical superiority to succeed. That's why Japan paid such a heavy price at Wake and we paid that same price pretty much everywhere else including Normandy.
The issue with the alternative history of the British and Commonwealth troops rallying and defending Singapore against tired and low on ammo troops is the question of who would have been reinforced first? There were few additional troops in Australia and the supply lines from even India would have taken longer to get there than from Japanese bases. Singapore was never the impregnable fortress that British propaganda claimed it to be.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:30 am That sounds about true because that mostly what the US would have down in reality but the other thing to was that when the Japanese did most of the attack they where outnumber in almost all of there battle in one example is the Fall of Singapore if the British forces knew how many Japanese troops where attacking them and where tired and low on ammo they the British would of have rally and beaten them. Like most of there wins in there campaigns for the Pacific Ocean they where luck and most of the commanders at the time ether underestmat them or where trying to find out what to do or where surprise of the attacks you can look up some of this stuff on youtube channel World War 2 in real time by Indy Nidel it week by week he did not said the japanese got luck part that by my view of the events.
+1Schneides42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am Singapore was never the impregnable fortress that British propaganda claimed it to be.
I believe that Singapore was not a impregnable fortress everything most fall to time but one of the key moments in the battle of Singapore was when the water resuver were take by the Japanese if the british where to lauch a counter attack then they would have hold out longer then the japanese have want which would have force a retrate cause they where unable to countuie the attack cause of low supply and out pesty the supply convoles.Schneides42 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 amThe issue with the alternative history of the British and Commonwealth troops rallying and defending Singapore against tired and low on ammo troops is the question of who would have been reinforced first? There were few additional troops in Australia and the supply lines from even India would have taken longer to get there than from Japanese bases. Singapore was never the impregnable fortress that British propaganda claimed it to be.CaptainRope1 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:30 am That sounds about true because that mostly what the US would have down in reality but the other thing to was that when the Japanese did most of the attack they where outnumber in almost all of there battle in one example is the Fall of Singapore if the British forces knew how many Japanese troops where attacking them and where tired and low on ammo they the British would of have rally and beaten them. Like most of there wins in there campaigns for the Pacific Ocean they where luck and most of the commanders at the time ether underestmat them or where trying to find out what to do or where surprise of the attacks you can look up some of this stuff on youtube channel World War 2 in real time by Indy Nidel it week by week he did not said the japanese got luck part that by my view of the events.
