Slitherine

phcas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:59 pm

MjrOu812 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:55 pm So when can we expect the next update?

As soon as the beta France scenario is finished. I can work on it for 12 hours a day the next 3 days so I hope on sunday evening we can see when to launch update v0.033. Let's say less than a week.

Understand that making a scenario is not only making a map and put some units on it. Getting the right information, OOB's, searching for photos and gifs, thinking out special orders, it all cost a lot of time.

phcas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:07 pm

butch_74 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:31 pm
Yes, thanks. I already downloaded your mod. Looks great. And I immediately had questions. I noticed that the 105 mm German 105mm sK18 gun has a range of 5 hexes. Which is very strange in comparison with the rest. And a question on British artillery. 4.5 and 5.5 for you they are indicated in mm 114 and 140 they had a firing range of about 18 km and this is the same as the 105mm sK18 but the range is 3-4 hex

We are using this formula for artillery but still have to fine tune it in the Equipment file. We look at the fire ranges on internet or out of books.

Artillery.jpg

butch_74 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 pm

phcas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:07 pm

butch_74 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:31 pm
Yes, thanks. I already downloaded your mod. Looks great. And I immediately had questions. I noticed that the 105 mm German 105mm sK18 gun has a range of 5 hexes. Which is very strange in comparison with the rest. And a question on British artillery. 4.5 and 5.5 for you they are indicated in mm 114 and 140 they had a firing range of about 18 km and this is the same as the 105mm sK18 but the range is 3-4 hex

We are using this formula for artillery but still have to fine tune it in the Equipment file. We look at the fire ranges on internet or out of books.

Artillery.jpg

Interesting formula.
The fact is that the caliber of a gun does not always correspond to mobility, for example, guns are almost always heavier than howitzers with the same caliber. It seems to me that mobility depends on weight, not caliber. For example, the F-22 76.2 mm caliber weighed 2820 kg, which is almost a ton more than 25 pdr with a weight of about 2000 kg, the British 6-inch (152 mm) howitzer 3693 kg and 10.5 cm leFH 18 (105 mm) 3,490 kg. By the way, the firing range of a 6 inch howitzer during World War II is more than 10 km (10,400). 8,700 m she fired during the First World War, but you have it with a range of 2 hexes although it should be 3 and it can’t move although it weighs almost the same. The 5.5-inch cannon, on the contrary, has a weight of 6190 kg (140 mm caliber ) but it moves by 1 hex and again the range is indicated with the old ammunition of 14,800 m and with the new ammunition it fired at 16,550.
Since I’m doing my own little mod for the British Empire, I looked primarily at these parameters, I also noticed that you did not change the Comet tank, for example, although its characteristics in the vanilla game are very strange.
I do not want to impose my opinion, but such defects are unpleasant for such an impressive mod.

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:05 am

butch_74 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 pm

phcas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:07 pm

We are using this formula for artillery but still have to fine tune it in the Equipment file. We look at the fire ranges on internet or out of books.

Artillery.jpg

Hello.
viewtopic.php?f=264&t=81616
Maybe this would be interesting. What works for OoB can work for Panzer Corps. Just select the country, equipment class, unit and there are icons giving the range and speed of travel.
Greetings.

Interesting formula.
The fact is that the caliber of a gun does not always correspond to mobility, for example, guns are almost always heavier than howitzers with the same caliber. It seems to me that mobility depends on weight, not caliber. For example, the F-22 76.2 mm caliber weighed 2820 kg, which is almost a ton more than 25 pdr with a weight of about 2000 kg, the British 6-inch (152 mm) howitzer 3693 kg and 10.5 cm leFH 18 (105 mm) 3,490 kg. By the way, the firing range of a 6 inch howitzer during World War II is more than 10 km (10,400). 8,700 m she fired during the First World War, but you have it with a range of 2 hexes although it should be 3 and it can’t move although it weighs almost the same. The 5.5-inch cannon, on the contrary, has a weight of 6190 kg (140 mm caliber ) but it moves by 1 hex and again the range is indicated with the old ammunition of 14,800 m and with the new ammunition it fired at 16,550.
Since I’m doing my own little mod for the British Empire, I looked primarily at these parameters, I also noticed that you did not change the Comet tank, for example, although its characteristics in the vanilla game are very strange.
I do not want to impose my opinion, but such defects are unpleasant for such an impressive mod.

I can see your a Artillery men Again the Equipment file has to be fine tuned in the future. I am behind with the import of many new units. I put them in the mod with a unit and Bigunit icon (that have to be made) and in the Equipment file and Efx file to get them moving and shooting. I HAVE NO TIME YET TO FINE TUNE AL THIS UNITS because that also is a lot of time consuming research. I have to make scenarios too what cost me a very lot of time.

Anyway. If you think we better use weight in the formula than caliber it's OK. We want to go for the best results for our mod.

If it's your hobby and you want to make a contribution to the mod, I invite you to calculate range and movement for the Artillery units.

Maybe you have also a suggestion to transform our formula from caliber to weight.

Again we want the most realistic values for our mod but time.....time.....time and so much to do................

Thanks and greetings

daon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:47 am Clipboard01.jpgI do not understand how to build a bridge

nono hard et heavy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:58 am
Hello.
a and b must be positioned on the river hex before switching to bridge mode.
Greetings.

daon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:47 am Clipboard01.jpgI do not understand how to build a bridge

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:05 am
I can see your a Artillery men Again the Equipment file has to be fine tuned in the future. I am behind with the import of many new units. I put them in the mod with a unit and Bigunit icon (that have to be made) and in the Equipment file and Efx file to get them moving and shooting. I HAVE NO TIME YET TO FINE TUNE AL THIS UNITS because that also is a lot of time consuming research. I have to make scenarios too what cost me a very lot of time.

Anyway. If you think we better use weight in the formula than caliber it's OK. We want to go for the best results for our mod.

If it's your hobby and you want to make a contribution to the mod, I invite you to calculate range and movement for the Artillery units.

Maybe you have also a suggestion to transform our formula from caliber to weight.

Again we want the most realistic values for our mod but time.....time.....time and so much to do................

Thanks and greetings

butch_74 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:26 pm

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:05 am
I can see your a Artillery men Again the Equipment file has to be fine tuned in the future. I am behind with the import of many new units. I put them in the mod with a unit and Bigunit icon (that have to be made) and in the Equipment file and Efx file to get them moving and shooting. I HAVE NO TIME YET TO FINE TUNE AL THIS UNITS because that also is a lot of time consuming research. I have to make scenarios too what cost me a very lot of time.

Anyway. If you think we better use weight in the formula than caliber it's OK. We want to go for the best results for our mod.

If it's your hobby and you want to make a contribution to the mod, I invite you to calculate range and movement for the Artillery units.

Maybe you have also a suggestion to transform our formula from caliber to weight.

Again we want the most realistic values for our mod but time.....time.....time and so much to do................

Thanks and greetings

I’ll be happy to help. I have already partially made an artillery table. I would suggest using two movement points for guns weighing up to 1 ton, for guns weighing 1-2 tons, give movement by one hex and all that weighing more than 2 tons should already be moved only on the trailer. Small exceptions can be made if the guns, for example, have been successfully used in airborne or jaeger units. The range of fire is a more difficult question as I see you want to use mortars, but with a distance of one hex they will be useless. Players simply will not buy them. You can give them a distance of two. And to somewhat revise the range of artillery, for example 3km-hex. On average, this will increase the distance of fire by one. Which is not bad in my opinion.

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:21 pm If you going to increase the range of 60 to 81mm mortars to 2, you get troubles with long range guns with ranges like 25km. I think the max ranges are 5 to 6 not higher. Or we have to say we start counting at the range of 2 for all guns. What do you think?

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:21 pm

butch_74 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:26 pm

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:05 am
I can see your a Artillery men Again the Equipment file has to be fine tuned in the future. I am behind with the import of many new units. I put them in the mod with a unit and Bigunit icon (that have to be made) and in the Equipment file and Efx file to get them moving and shooting. I HAVE NO TIME YET TO FINE TUNE AL THIS UNITS because that also is a lot of time consuming research. I have to make scenarios too what cost me a very lot of time.

Anyway. If you think we better use weight in the formula than caliber it's OK. We want to go for the best results for our mod.

If it's your hobby and you want to make a contribution to the mod, I invite you to calculate range and movement for the Artillery units.

Maybe you have also a suggestion to transform our formula from caliber to weight.

Again we want the most realistic values for our mod but time.....time.....time and so much to do................

Thanks and greetings

I’ll be happy to help. I have already partially made an artillery table. I would suggest using two movement points for guns weighing up to 1 ton, for guns weighing 1-2 tons, give movement by one hex and all that weighing more than 2 tons should already be moved only on the trailer. Small exceptions can be made if the guns, for example, have been successfully used in airborne or jaeger units. The range of fire is a more difficult question as I see you want to use mortars, but with a distance of one hex they will be useless. Players simply will not buy them. You can give them a distance of two. And to somewhat revise the range of artillery, for example 3km-hex. On average, this will increase the distance of fire by one. Which is not bad in my opinion.

Hi, I agree with the movement points you suggest.

I know a player will not buy mortar units because of the small range. The solution is to give them to the player as aux units in scenarios. So they are still in the game. If you going to increase the range of 60 to 81mm mortars to 2, you get troubles with long range guns with ranges like 25km. I think the max ranges are 5 to 6 not higher. Or we have to say we start counting at the range of 2 for all guns. What do you think?

Radoye wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:14 pm

phcas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:21 pm If you going to increase the range of 60 to 81mm mortars to 2, you get troubles with long range guns with ranges like 25km. I think the max ranges are 5 to 6 not higher. Or we have to say we start counting at the range of 2 for all guns. What do you think?

The scale doesn't have to be linear, you can use some sort of a square root formula. This would penalize longer ranges more than shorter ranges, and allow you to have a uniform scale across the board yet still avoid the longest range guns to reach over too many hexes.

butch_74 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:52 pm I would rule out small-caliber mortars. They are included in the infantry units by default. It is necessary to consider mortars of a larger caliber in the case of regimental or division artillery, individual mortar units. In principle, you can start with 81 mm, I did not see less caliber in the mod. Moreover, the real distance they had was up to 6 km (120 mm) and we can calmly give them a distance of, for example, 2 or even 3 hexes, but at the same time make a limitation for artillery n less than 3 hexes and no more than 6 so as not to upset the game balance. And of course, the movement of self-propelled artillery will remain as it is. She does not depend on weight