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FINALLY IRONED OUT THE FEW INCONSISTENCYS IN THE GERMAN UNIT ROSTER AND ADDED BEBROS PLANES AND A FEW OTHER THINGS WHICH WERE MISSING

HERE THE FINAL ROSTER FOR GERMANY....

That is one impressive roster Chris. The camos look great and emphesise the distinction between different units extremely well. And my eyes don't hurt

I can't wait until this mod is released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cool roster. What would be the stats difference between for example the 1.LSSAH and 1.LSSAH KG ( 2SS Das Reich vs "SS Das Reich KG and so on )?

ivanov wrote:Cool roster. What would be the stats difference between for example the 1.LSSAH and 1.LSSAH KG ( 2SS Das Reich vs "SS Das Reich KG and so on )?

KG units model ad hoc formed defensive combat groups called Kampfgruppe...they are completely dismounted,have prepared defensive positions, ambushes and other nasty surprises for an attacker.
SS units have better stats than Wehrmacht but the difference in stats between normal SS and SS KG is the same as between Wehrmacht and Wehrmacht KG

KG Units characteristics are as follows
0 Movement and no direct fire as they have to wait until the attacker approaches their positions
+2 AMMO
+1 INI
+1 HA/SA
+2 GD
+1 AD
+2 CD

When entrenched in citys,forest or in fortification they will be very tough to root out...good for holding up the enemy while bringing reinforcements to a sector or even sacrifice a unit to avoid a breakthru

Will any of the air units have enhanced capabilities compared to regular units?

cedonxp wrote:Will any of the air units have enhanced capabilities compared to regular units?

the unique air wings will have slightly enhanced stats but their real boost will come from the aces...
we have to bear in mind the incredible amount of kills of certain air wings
JG52 alone had close to 9000 confirmed air victorys for example

Chris10 wrote:
KG Units characteristics are as follows
0 Movement and no direct fire as they have to wait until the attacker approaches their positions
+2 AMMO
+1 INI
+1 HA/SA
+2 GD
+1 AD
+2 CD

When entrenched in citys,forest or in fortification they will be very tough to root out...good for holding up the enemy while bringing reinforcements to a sector or even sacrifice a unit to avoid a breakthru

Sounds great! I thought, that KG would be a different type of a unit, with offensive capabilities too, but I like your concept!

By Führer order, the 8th Army as part of Army Group North, has moved into her staging area around Memel.
Other Wehrmacht units will soon start deploying into their staging areas....

8th Army consists of the following units



Deployment Area



Strategic Map

Stunningly cool

Great work...quite an achievement

Great work!

Your map alone shows up very clearly that invasion of USSR was pure suicide!

absolute masterpiece

thnx guys...

The OKH announces that complete Army Group North consisting of 18th Army, 3rd Panzer Group and 16th Army has moved into position now...3rd SS Totenkopf and various other OKH Reserves have moved into the rear areas, 207th,281th and 285th Security Divisions have occupied Königsberg and surroundings while other Divisions such as SS Police Division and 86th Infantry Division are still intaking personel in order to reach their nominal strength...
Army Group Center is scheduled to take positions soon...all preparations proceed according the planned time table

Do you need to include the SS Police divisions? - their purpose was less than military. It might just be a personal thing, but I can do without the reminder of what came behind the AGs. I suppose I could just disband them when/if I play.

El_Condoro wrote:Do you need to include the SS Police divisions? - their purpose was less than military. It might just be a personal thing, but I can do without the reminder of what came behind the AGs. I suppose I could just disband them when/if I play.

Condo...this is the 4th SS Division...I didnt model it as unique unit but it was part of the regular fighting force and part of 1st Army Corps of Army Group North.
Officially transferred to Waffen-SS in Feb. 1942 and in 1943 renamed 4. SS-Polizei-Panzergrenadier-Division.
This has nothing to do with the Sonderkommandos.

Good. Not that any SS unit was far from the organisation's ideology.

From a game POV - with the wild variations sometimes experienced with the RDM, I wonder if the 2 strength divisions will be too easily dispatched.

El_Condoro wrote: I wonder if the 2 strength divisions will be too easily dispatched.

they are either in process of reforming (after redeploying) or formation and intaking personel ...you have to reinforce them of course..just as many other OKH reserves...they will be all at 2 strenth
So wanna/need use the reserves ? You have to spent the ressources to get them to full strengh before deploying them.

Chris10, El condoro,
I would like to offer an opinion as gamer and someone who is eager to see this mod released. I understand El_C point and agree that AGs were despicable. However, If you are to have partisans, which would affect realism if you didn't, wouldn't you say the same if reserve, garrison, police, peanal battalions, and yes SS AGs units. It was just such an ugly fight in some respects but it did happen. But also I guess I might not be accounting for proper scale here but what can I say, thats why you guys can put this kind level of effort in a mod and I can't.

Just a thought, but perhaps having unit initiative increased in partisans when AG and police units are in the same area.

Not making any excuses for the reality, just acknowledging it.

I hope no one is offended by my remarks becuse that wasn't my intent.

cedonxp wrote:Chris10, El condoro,
I would like to offer an opinion as gamer and someone who is eager to see this mod released. I understand El_C point and agree that AGs were despicable. However, If you are to have partisans, which would affect realism if you didn't, wouldn't you say the same if reserve, garrison, police, peanal battalions, and yes SS AGs units. It was just such an ugly fight in some respects but it did happen. But also I guess I might not be accounting for proper scale here but what can I say, thats why you guys can put this kind level of effort in a mod and I can't.

Just a thought, but perhaps having unit initiative increased in partisans when AG and police units are in the same area.

Not making any excuses for the reality, just acknowledging it.

I hope no one is offended by my remarks becuse that wasn't my intent.

thnx for participation...its always important to share views...
I think Condo has initially mistaken the 4. SS Police Division for an SS "Einsatzgruppen" unit which it wasnt...