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terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 pm

bru888 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:26 pm

terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:08 pm Karelian Isthmus:

What the hell is "Finnish re-entry"

That is the extra hex or two which we provide in these scenarios because many of them lack flagged village hexes. They are for deploying newly purchased units or redeploying restored dead units during the scenario (as opposed to the initial deployment hexes). Sometimes these hexes are marked thusly.

No Supply in that case for the "Finnish re-entry" ?

terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:51 pm The T... Bridge looks better like this:

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terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:11 pm Why a Sniper can not attack a Mechanized unit

Dwightd wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:02 am Version 1.1, lvl 3, Scenario Salla-Kemijarvi

I got a minor victory on this one.

Shooting down two bombers is impossible on this one. Due to the distance from the air entry/exit, the fighter only has 1-2 turns of engagement. I went with the unorthodox approach of flying my fighter out of fuel to give me more turns at the bombers I shot down one, but the other left the area once he was down to a strength of 4, and he never returned. I could not find him anywhere.

The extra artillary was a nice addition but very ineffective. I took them on two separate routes to the enemy. The first one did not engage the enemy until turn 20 when he got in range. The second one never did fire a shot in anger, was just too far away.

I need to phrase this next part carefully so Erik does not think of the "E" word. The Russians never got close to any of the fortresses. A few well placed AT guns, fronted by infantry, blocked up the roads and they never advanced very far.

So in my incredibly average opinion I think this one could use a little balancing.

Keep up the good work, I am having fun !

bru888 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:26 am We just fixed the bombers objective issue. Next update, I would assume. We saw that one coming.

That artillery, did it have transportation attached? I'll check it tomorrow.

terminator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:51 am 02Kollaa

Secondary objectives should only be validated at the end:


02Kollaa(1).jpg

bru888 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 am

terminator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:51 am 02Kollaa

Secondary objectives should only be validated at the end:


02Kollaa(1).jpg

You may be misunderstanding the situation. Those two objective are completed at the beginning of the scenario, only to be lost if 3 infantry units or the one armoured train on the map (to begin with) are destroyed:

terminator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:25 am A validated objective is definitely validated. If a validated objective at the beginning is not validated at the end then what is the point of validating the objective at the beginning?
This does not happen in official DlCs, example Demyansk:

bru888 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:32 am

terminator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:25 am A validated objective is definitely validated. If a validated objective at the beginning is not validated at the end then what is the point of validating the objective at the beginning?
This does not happen in official DlCs, example Demyansk:

You can design an objective like Demyansk to be evaluated, and completed, at the end of the scenario, yes. But it doesn't mean that is the only way to do things.

The idea in our case, with Kollaa, is that the challenge is to NOT have those bad things happen before the scenario ends. Given the length of the scenario and the combat involved, it may be in fact quite difficult to avoid those things happening.

But in the beginning, the infantry are still alive and so is the armoured train. Therefore these objectives can be marked as completed to start the scenario. They are failed later, perhaps, if bad things happen. That is what the game designer intended with those checkboxes.

These are secondary objectives, so it is OK to mark them as completed until they are failed. Same thing for primary objectives, except that the procedure cannot be applied to a single primary objective (i.e., the only one in the scenario) or to all primary objectives, or else the scenario ends immediately.

Surely you have seen this in use elsewhere; I don't know about official DLC's (I bet you are wrong about that), but Erik and I and others have designed primary and secondary objectives in this manner. Again, if these secondary objectives are still completed at scenario end, they are evaluated at that time if a reward has been offered. And of course, NOT losing these objectives means a Major Victory; failing one of them means a Minor Victory.

So the challenges are valid and the objectives are working as designed.

bru888 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:26 pm

terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:08 pm The AI really has a lot of trouble trying to cross the bridge whose name I forgot, even my gamer computer starts rowing
The passage should be widened to try other units to be able to pass the river beside: deep water->frozen lake or river?

I'll let Erik pass judgment on this. The point of this scenario is to have an outnumbered group of Finns prevent the Soviets from rolling on north. That bridge is a key defense point. But the situation is compromised anyway since the Soviets are also coming from north of the river. I figure that stalemate at the bridge does not last long, does it?

terminator wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:07 am

bru888 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:26 pm

terminator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:08 pm The AI really has a lot of trouble trying to cross the bridge whose name I forgot, even my gamer computer starts rowing
The passage should be widened to try other units to be able to pass the river beside: deep water->frozen lake or river?

I'll let Erik pass judgment on this. The point of this scenario is to have an outnumbered group of Finns prevent the Soviets from rolling on north. That bridge is a key defense point. But the situation is compromised anyway since the Soviets are also coming from north of the river. I figure that stalemate at the bridge does not last long, does it?

The answer is on the image:


Karelian Isthmus(1).jpg


I don’t think it’s good to stay too long for the Soviet troops :


Body-of-frozen-Soviet-soldier-propped-up-by-Finnish-fighters-to-intimidate-Soviet-troops-1939-small.jpg

bru888 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:55 am EDIT: Erik, please place an official copy of 02Kollaa in the "Ready for Bru" folder. I need to provide for that eventuality; that is, if the first armoured train is destroyed before the second train arrives, the "Both armoured trains must survive" objective should remain disabled, obviously. Everything else looks good but this nuance needs to be addressed. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of merely simplifying things by having just one objective named "No armoured train can be destroyed." That's applicable whether there is only one armoured train or, later, two of them on the map.