Slitherine

kevinj wrote:A reroll is the nearest we have to half a POA. Remember also the current proposal gives troops with better armour if they are otherwise at a negative POA.

hazelbark wrote: So better armor lets your put out more damage.

nikgaukroger wrote:

hazelbark wrote: So better armor lets your put out more damage.

It lets you take less damage if you move from no net PoAs to a + PoA.

hazelbark wrote:So better armor lets your put out more damage.

hazelbark wrote:

nikgaukroger wrote:

hazelbark wrote: So better armor lets your put out more damage.

It lets you take less damage if you move from no net PoAs to a + PoA.

But this would no longer be the case under the new proposal? Correct?

Not trying to be difficult. More trying to make sure I understand proposal.

the enemy will not be affected in what they do if you have better armour.

rbodleyscott wrote: How many such interactions are there in FOGR?

If not too many, you could keep the armour thing basically on rerolls, but tweak those specific interactions.

For example, you could make the HW POA count against pikes

nikgaukroger wrote:Chatting to Richard about where we are on this he suggested that we may have been too quick to move on from the re-rolls idea and that there were other ways to tackle the "Flodden issue".

rbodleyscott wrote: How many such interactions are there in FOGR?

If not too many, you could keep the armour thing basically on rerolls, but tweak those specific interactions.

For example, you could make the HW POA count against pikes

So the question here is, as Richard asked, which are the interaction that are an issue with just re-rolls? We have English bills Vs Scots pike - any others?

BTW, for those who dislike the re-rolls causing more hits (and I can see why) the mechanism can be implemented so that troops facing better armour drop a re-roll level (it was actually the originally suggested version if you recall).

Any similar interactions?

BTW, for those who dislike the re-rolls causing more hits (and I can see why) the mechanism can be implemented so that troops facing better armour drop a re-roll level (it was actually the originally suggested version if you recall).

nikgaukroger wrote:Any similar interactions?

Melee Table: Delete POA for better armour.

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Section "Battle Group Quality Re-rolls":

Replace the bullet list and the first paragraph after with the following:

Quality Re-roll Scores

.......... 1,2,3
Elite troops can re-roll 1’s and 2’s
Superior troops can re-roll 1’s
Average troops re-roll no dice
Poor troops must re-roll 6’s
.......... 5, 6

A dice is only re-rolled once.


A commander fighting in the front rank of the battle group in close combat allows the close combat “to hit” dice (but not any other dice rolls) of that battle group to be one re-roll level higher.

If a base is in combat with an opponent which has Better Armour, and it is not a type that ignores Better Armour (see below), the Melee close combat “to hit” dice (but not any other dice rolls) of that base are one re-roll level lower. This is cumulative with the re-roll effect of a commander fighting in the front rank.

Types that ignore Better Armour:

• Shot
• Troops armed with Heavy Weapons
• Elephants
• War Wagons
• Protected Horse, Protected Determined Horse, or Protected Cavaliers

against any except STEADY pike in 3 or more ranks, protected pike, protected shot or foot with bayonet.

spedders wrote:Doesn't address poor troops v better armour?