Slitherine

cavehobbit (Catholic) 6.0 pts vs jomni (Swedish) 1.4 pts

Catholic (5911)
Killed 165/49
Wounded 334/101
Captured/Deserted 24/0
Guns Lost 0

Swedish (5533)
Killed 423/208
Wounded 528/263
Captured/Deserted 846/496
Guns Lost 20

Jomni, please check my calculations.

fogman (Protestant) 2.8 pts vs pantherboy (Imperial) 5.4 pts

Imperial (8771)
Killed 529/68
Wounded 1063/139
Captured/Deserted 83/30
Guns Lost 8

Protestant (9362)
Killed 1181/133
Wounded 1452/170
Captured/Deserted 2156/345
Guns Lost 8

i've just noticed something rather disturbing: the game recalculates the casualties at the end.

if you win the game:
your number of killed stay the same
your number of wounded is decreased by a third
your number of routed is decreased by 90%

if you lose the game:
25% of your wounded seems to have died
your number of captured/deserted decreases by a third
you lose all your guns (regardless of whether they were limbered up and leaving the field)

now i suppose this may be the situation a week after the battle (very arbitrary, and the fact that all guns are lost adds to the aggravation) but it certainly gives a wrong picture of the casualties on the day of the battle and why on earth would you want to do that except in a campaign situation. another arcane rule.

pantherboy (Catholic) 6.0 pts vs ggarynorman (Swedish) 2.2 pts

Catholic (5466)
Killed 276/277
Wounded 345/344
Captured/Deserted 944/473
Guns Lost 22

Swedish (5841)
Killed 191/78
Wounded 387/160
Captured/Deserted 57/15
Guns Lost 4

spaniards 35-48 (fogman) over french 43-48 (ggarynorman)

spaniards
471/34
954/70
60/0

2.1

french
635/191
786/239
1353/345

4.8

round 2 can now start.

challenges out

fogman (royalists 42-43) vs ggarynorman (parliament 42-43) pw: ggarynorman

fogman (catholics 32-38) vs pantherboy (swedish 30-34) pw: pantherboy

fogman (imperials 19-32) vs iandavidsmith (protestants 18-32) pw: iandavidsmith

ggarynorman 5.5 jomni 1.4

ggarynorman losses
foot 556 = 556
horse 104 x 2 = 208
deserted 37 / 2 = 37
cannon 0 x 50 = 0
total men = 5708
score = (556 + 208 + 37) / 5708 = 0.137088 x 10 1.4

jomni losses
foot 710 = 710
horse 381 x 2 = 762
deserted 961 / 2 = 480.5
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men 4248
score = (710 + 762 + 480.5 + 400) / 4248 = 0.55379 x 10 = 5.5

iandavidsmith (Imperial) 3.9 pts vs jomni (Protestant) 2.4 pts

iandavidsmith (Imperial)
foot 1176 = 1176
horse 337 x 2 = 674
deserted 0/ 2 =0
cannon 0 x 50 = 0
total men = 7574
score = (1176 + 674+ 0) / 7574= 0.2442x 10 =2.44


jomni (Protestant)
foot 1878= 1878
horse 557x 2 = 1114
deserted 2047/ 2 =1023
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 8501
score = (1878+ 114+ 1023+ 400) / 8501= 0.3910 x 10 =3.9

Hope i got this calc right
thanks for the game ,
Cheers
Ian

jomni 1.6 pts vs pantherboy 5.4 pts

jomni casualties
foot 1401 = 1401
horse 595 x 2 = 1190
deserted 1763 / 2 = 881.5
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 7114
score = (1401 + 1190 + 881.5 + 400) / 7114 = 0.5443 x 10 = 5.4

pantherboy casualties
foot 712 = 712
horse 148 x 2 = 296
deserted 0 / 2 = 0
cannon 0 x 50 = 0
total men = 6265
score = (712 + 296 + 0 + 0) / 6265 = 0.1608 x 10 = 1.6

Challenges Round 2

Fogman - pw: fogman
Pantherboy - pw: pantherboy

I have a question about scoring. You said that cavalry counts as double as such would captured/deserted cavalry count double then halved (effectively scoring to the number lost while the foot number is halved). If so then my score versus jomni is 5.7 rather than 5.4.

iandavidsmith (Spanish) pts 3.5 vs cavehobbit(French) pts 5.7

iandavidsmith (Spanish)
foot 1731= 1731
horse 457 x 2 = 914
deserted 1683/ 2 =841
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 7574
score = (1731+ 914+ 841+ 400) /6712= 0.5789x 10 =5.7


cavehobbit(French)
foot 2016= 2016
horse 171 x 2 = 342
deserted 209/ 2 =104
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 8501
score = (2016+ 342+ 104+ 400) / 7968= 0.3591 x 10 =3.5

The irony of the battle where the Spanish routed the French at 60% but lost
so many men and horses that it was actually a defeat .
Thanks for the Game , Ian

Round 2 challenges posted

passwords....

ggarynorman = gary

cavehobbit + hobbit

Good Luck ,
Ian

iandavidsmith wrote:iandavidsmith (Spanish) pts 3.5 vs cavehobbit(French) pts 5.7

iandavidsmith (Spanish)
foot 1731= 1731
horse 457 x 2 = 914
deserted 1683/ 2 =841
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 7574
score = (1731+ 914+ 841+ 400) /6712= 0.5789x 10 =5.7


cavehobbit(French)
foot 2016= 2016
horse 171 x 2 = 342
deserted 209/ 2 =104
cannon 8 x 50 = 400
total men = 8501
score = (2016+ 342+ 104+ 400) / 7968= 0.3591 x 10 =3.5

The irony of the battle where the Spanish routed the French at 60% but lost
so many men and horses that it was actually a defeat .
Thanks for the Game , Ian

Really great game.

iandavidsmith wrote:iandavidsmith (Spanish) pts 3.5 vs cavehobbit(French) pts 5.7

The irony of the battle where the Spanish routed the French at 60% but lost
so many men and horses that it was actually a defeat .
Thanks for the Game , Ian

it's called a pyrrhic victory.

pantherboy wrote:I have a question about scoring. You said that cavalry counts as double as such would captured/deserted cavalry count double then halved (effectively scoring to the number lost while the foot number is halved). If so then my score versus jomni is 5.7 rather than 5.4.

i don't believe i made a difference between horse and men routed. at this point, scoring is just for form because this is a test run since there are a few things that need to be worked out after this is over : how to mitigate the difference between 40% and 60% rout threshold, and the program changing the casualties at the end of the game.

ggarynorman 5.9 bt Iandavidsmith 1.9

iandavidsmith (Spanish)
foot 1149 = 1149
horse 262 x 2 = 524
deserted 1211/ 2 =606
cannon 10 x 50 = 500
total men = 4745
score = (1149+ 524+ 606+ 500) /4745= 0.5856x 10 =5.9


Ggarynorman
foot 998= 998
horse 37 x 2 = 74
deserted 84/ 2 =42
cannon 0 x 50 =0
total men = 8501
score = (998+ 74+ 42+ 0) / 5969= 0.1866 x 10 =1.9

Thanks for the game

ggarynorman Challenges posted

jomni = pw jomni
pantherboy = pw pantherboy
cavehobbit = pw cavehobbit

good luck gents

pantherboy (Scots) 4.9 pts vs iandavidsmith (Parliamentarian) 1.0 pts

Scots (6506)
Killed 196/5
Wounded 398/11
Captured/Deserted 28/0
Guns Lost 0

Parliamentarian (5233)
Killed 579/41
Wounded 718/54
Captured/Deserted 1165/166
Guns Lost 8

NB: This game ended after the enemy hit 40% thus making it impossible to score higher. I really think the best scoring system would be a win scores 6.0 (or greater if the % is in excess of 60) thus giving players who score rapid decisive victories equal points to those that eke out a protracted win. You would then divide the losers % by 10 and subtract from the winner. This would mean players who barely win wouldn't score as well as those that did better.