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I haven't done a count, but there is a lot of UK 'stuff' that we haven't seen or isn't dead yet - sure Morris throws away the UK naval units, but where for instance are the UK MECH's

GogTheMild wrote:Great stuff. That's looking really good. Enjoy it while you can - Morris insists that the Axis can't win against a good quality opponent . Although like Cybvep I am finding some of his moves very strange. Excellent AAR btw.

I still insist ! 1940-1941 is always the happy hours of Axis if they choose to make an Europe fortress . But after 1942 everything will be different & then the war will be still have 2 & a half year to go ...

Stauffenberg wrote:There is a possibility that other players are even better than Morris. Hu is showing that he's very good with his strategy. He managed to succeed with Sealion against very stiff opposition by Morris. He seems to soon get Spain and that means Gibraltar will fall too.

So far I think the Axis have the initiative. Morris will have to conjure up some tricks to win this game. I haven't seen a single blunder by Hu so far in this game so it's not like Morris can expect to get any "presents". He will have to earn his victory by clever play.

At first , Congratulations to Mr Hu ! Borger is right that there are many players better than me maybe including Hu !

at second , Hu did a wonderful job for a maxium Europe fortress including (Spain, NA ,UK , maybe middle east ) . So let's see will this maxium Europe fortrss will give Axis an opportunity to win !

At third , as Borger's words that Hu did not make any blunder mistake , but I made many especially on the sea ! Usually the one who makes few mistake will win the game , but I suspect it in this game .

Kragdob wrote:If you capture Irleand and Scapa Flow in 1941 together with Iraq which is not a difficult task then this game is basically won. Allies without a strong foothold in Europe will be very easy to fend off even by minor Axis forces. All power of Wehrmacht can easily handle USSR troops, their PPs will be even but German tech will be higher.

I am wodering if Morris will find a way to change the tides.

Hi , don't you forget how did you destroy my Germans by Russians ?! Ireland & Scapa are important , but the wrost is UK out . But to get all Ireland , Britain , NA , Spain & middle east will cost nothing ? will the benifit balance the cost before USSR join the war ? I have never caculated it but I don't think so .

richardsd wrote:I haven't done a count, but there is a lot of UK 'stuff' that we haven't seen or isn't dead yet - sure Morris throws away the UK naval units, but where for instance are the UK MECH's

you will find them soon ....

Let me guess, Morris moved his units to Ireland?

Morris wrote:

Kragdob wrote:If you capture Irleand and Scapa Flow in 1941 together with Iraq which is not a difficult task then this game is basically won. Allies without a strong foothold in Europe will be very easy to fend off even by minor Axis forces. All power of Wehrmacht can easily handle USSR troops, their PPs will be even but German tech will be higher.

I am wodering if Morris will find a way to change the tides.

Hi , don't you forget how did you destroy my Germans by Russians ?! Ireland & Scapa are important , but the wrost is UK out . But to get all Ireland , Britain , NA , Spain & middle east will cost nothing ? will the benifit balance the cost before USSR join the war ? I have never caculated it but I don't think so .

Morris,

I am basing on our game which was similar, Hu has even faster progress. But I also assume that you learnt from that game and I am looking to see what will your response be. If your UK effectiveness drops by even 20 then there will not be much you can do untill US joins so Hu has at least one more year to go. This is enough to finish conquest of UK, NA and get far in Middle East. USSR alone is not able to push Germans if they can focus 90% of their power there.

Kragdob wrote:

Morris wrote:

Kragdob wrote:If you capture Irleand and Scapa Flow in 1941 together with Iraq which is not a difficult task then this game is basically won. Allies without a strong foothold in Europe will be very easy to fend off even by minor Axis forces. All power of Wehrmacht can easily handle USSR troops, their PPs will be even but German tech will be higher.

I am wodering if Morris will find a way to change the tides.

Hi , don't you forget how did you destroy my Germans by Russians ?! Ireland & Scapa are important , but the wrost is UK out . But to get all Ireland , Britain , NA , Spain & middle east will cost nothing ? will the benifit balance the cost before USSR join the war ? I have never caculated it but I don't think so .

Morris,

I am basing on our game which was similar, Hu has even faster progress. But I also assume that you learnt from that game and I am looking to see what will your response be. If your UK effectiveness drops by even 20 then there will not be much you can do untill US joins so Hu has at least one more year to go. This is enough to finish conquest of UK, NA and get far in Middle East. USSR alone is not able to push Germans if they can focus 90% of their power there.

far in middle east is not enough, you must get the oil pretty early - Hu is in a good position, but much is still undecided.

Morris still has choices as to where he defends - Scotland, Ireland or the Middle East

the game is essentially about economics, how much will Hu have expended to get to his April 42 position and what will that position be?

Middle East is not important because of oil. It is important as it will be the last battleground when Allies will be able to engage Axis on land.

Oil shouldn't be a problem for Axis in Fortress Europa - I had it around 1300 in 1942/1943.

The problem for UK is that you are not able to defend if your units hav effectiveness worse than Italians.

Kragdob wrote:Middle East is not important because of oil. It is important as it will be the last battleground when Allies will be able to engage Axis on land.

Oil shouldn't be a problem for Axis in Fortress Europa - I had it around 1300 in 1942/1943.

The problem for UK is that you are not able to defend if your units hav effectiveness worse than Italians.

But Fortress Europa is a very difficult strategy for the Axis against a good Allied Player - I am just waiting for someone to try it against me

It is very difficult to get right as the Axis

it might be coming in my current game against Gog!

First of all: Why you guys having a party in my AAR and nobody tells me? I want a beer too!!

Morris wrote: At first , Congratulations to Mr Hu ! Borger is right that there are many players better than me maybe including Hu !

Come on, thats a stupid discussion... the point is: I know Morris to play 6 games at a time, right Morris? I play only this one single game at a time, just because I want to beat one of you Elite players around on Allied and Axis side (Allied was accomplished before)... I am spending a lot of effort and time for every turn. Just to show you how detailed the plannings are:


I try to calculate and follow PP production, I do the same with all losses and repairs...


I'm watching the Oil-level ... (sorry for German in the Pic) ... I am even sitting half an hour after I did all the moves of a turn thinking & dreaming what Morris could do ...

and at the end: Its still a very long way to go, I have a good feeling, yes, but I know Morris is playing excellent on Land and he is one of the most experienced players around. He will have a plan already I guess...

GogTheMild wrote: Excellent AAR btw.

Thank you, Gog! Reminds me how nice our game was. Lets wait for 2.2 and do a game with AAR for both sides!

Pre-Turn


Can you believe it? Mud in Central-Europa while the sun shines in Russia. And yes, Morris is sending his troops to Ireland.




One DD to the left and one to the right ...




Seems a defense perimeter is set up around Algiers...




Not much happened here, just that the Italian INF doesn't like Triest and advances backwards ...


After Turn


Liverpool taken during the Mud, good dice here! In North-England German spearheads keep waiting for another fair turn.




Bismarck sailing home, she needs some repairs. Luckily no threat on her way back possible ...




And some torpedo-greetings to Allied reinforcements arriving from the Middle East were send.




Better results could be expected here, but well, Tunis should be liberated from their Colonial power next turn!




Italians holding positions here, but at "Forza Lybia HQ" they start to think about an Italian solo-offensive as Allied troops are shifted to Algeria.




Mud is troubling Operation "Peace to the Balkans" ... but with 75% chance for fair weather in the next turn, Germans might be able to take Belgrad soon.




and casualties.

You know with Morris that he will never give up. He's clever at conjuring up counter attacks or surprise offensives somewhere.

He still has a chance to get back into this game. "It aint over until the fat lady sings" as the Americans would have said.

richardsd wrote:it might be coming in my current game against Gog!

I am taking lessons from Hue. He plays a truly evil Axis. Morris may or may not win, but I reckon that he will know that he has been in a fight.

GogTheMild wrote:

richardsd wrote:it might be coming in my current game against Gog!

I am taking lessons from Hue. He plays a truly evil Axis. Morris may or may not win, but I reckon that he will know that he has been in a fight.

Yes , a quite tough fight ! I love it ! I always love challenge !

Kragdob wrote:

Morris wrote:

Kragdob wrote:If you capture Irleand and Scapa Flow in 1941 together with Iraq which is not a difficult task then this game is basically won. Allies without a strong foothold in Europe will be very easy to fend off even by minor Axis forces. All power of Wehrmacht can easily handle USSR troops, their PPs will be even but German tech will be higher.

I am wodering if Morris will find a way to change the tides.

Hi , don't you forget how did you destroy my Germans by Russians ?! Ireland & Scapa are important , but the wrost is UK out . But to get all Ireland , Britain , NA , Spain & middle east will cost nothing ? will the benifit balance the cost before USSR join the war ? I have never caculated it but I don't think so .

Morris,

I am basing on our game which was similar, Hu has even faster progress. But I also assume that you learnt from that game and I am looking to see what will your response be. If your UK effectiveness drops by even 20 then there will not be much you can do untill US joins so Hu has at least one more year to go. This is enough to finish conquest of UK, NA and get far in Middle East. USSR alone is not able to push Germans if they can focus 90% of their power there.

USSR is not alone ! You can't count US & the weak UK as nothing ! Even if only sea fight will also cost fuel & pp . But after 1942 , I am sure USA & UK will not only fight in the water . Axis has to face two fronts from early 1943 & then it will become a GDP & human resourse war . Axis have to hold two & a half year !

Kragdob wrote:Middle East is not important because of oil. It is important as it will be the last battleground when Allies will be able to engage Axis on land.

Oil shouldn't be a problem for Axis in Fortress Europa - I had it around 1300 in 1942/1943.

The problem for UK is that you are not able to defend if your units hav effectiveness worse than Italians.

yes , but Axis will need long time to finish the march even if no one defend . there are almost 35 hex from Eygpt to Basra . but do you know how many turns will it cost to transfer a unit from middle east to Germany ? at least 5 turns .

GogTheMild wrote:

richardsd wrote:it might be coming in my current game against Gog!

I am taking lessons from Hue. He plays a truly evil Axis. Morris may or may not win, but I reckon that he will know that he has been in a fight.

that he will, Hu is playing and AARing well

So IMHO thats not a lot of oil, the key to winning as the Axis (IMHO) in fortress europa is to hold the edge in Air over europe till late in the game, currently I don't think Hu has enough oil