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Re: WTF Chariots?

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 6:44 pm
by Jonah75
The Wars of the Diadochi - pitting the men who had led Alexander's armies against each other saw the re-ermergence of Heavy Chariots. They were deployed, just like elephants, as an attempt to give a slight advantage over otherwise identical phalanx armies. The allies at Ipsus, for example, deployed around 120. These were experienced war leaders with decades of experience between them. Perhaps the fact that they saw the value in building, maintaining and deploying large chariot forces shows that the heavy chariot was not pointless as suggested.

The fact that there are specific battles where well-drilled troops dealt effectively with chariots suggests that these weapons were considered enough of a threat to drill thousands of heavy foot specifically to do so.

Re: WTF Chariots?

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:40 am
by bjarmson
jonah75, have you got any actual facts to back up your speculations, any battle reports, any actual written accounts? And gee, reactionary generals who believe outmoded war tech can still win the day. That rarely happens in the history of warfare. Wait, what, come to think of it, it happens every war, until the deadwood can be replaced. Cavalry generals hung on long after horse cavalry had any purpose at all in war. Hardly surprising that chariots were still regarded as useful weapons, long after their usefulness had ended.

Re: WTF Chariots?

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:47 am
by TheGrayMouser
bjarmson wrote:jonah75, have you got any actual facts to back up your speculations, any battle reports, any actual written accounts? And gee, reactionary generals who believe outmoded war tech can still win the day. That rarely happens in the history of warfare. Wait, what, come to think of it, it happens every war, until the deadwood can be replaced. Cavalry generals hung on long after horse cavalry had any purpose at all in war. Hardly surprising that chariots were still regarded as useful weapons, long after their usefulness had ended.
He did in a prior post, remember?


":'Nicomedes' Bithynian plananx was now bucnched up... Craterus unleashed his chariots. The drivers whipped their powerful horses into a full-speed gallop.. The vicious blades, spinning at a velocity three times the speed of the wheels, churned through the densely packed enemy. The shock was overwhelming, the carnage terrible.' p149, the Posion King by Adrienne Mayer, relating to Pontic victory over Roman-Bithynian forces on the Aminias River in 89BC.

Lucretius wrote: '..the scythed chariots, ravenous for slaughter, sheared off limbs so suddenly that legs and arms fell writhing on the floor before a man even felt any pain'

Granted these were heavy chariots, not the Britons' light chariots. Also granted that in most cases heavy chariots had limited impact after Chaeronea. Nonetheless, there is evidence that even against trained troops and capable generals, chariots could have some success far later than you have suggested."

Where is YOUR back up that that performed as you opine they did?
BTW , tanks can move thru the woods :)

Anyway, time to move on as turk indicated earlier, everyone gets what you don't like, to degree many/some agree with you but the game is abstract and based off a TT game so...