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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:11 am
by lawrenceg
philqw78 wrote:
Now suppose CCCCCC is a column facing the routers and the lead element wheels left or right 89 degrees just before contact. This allows the chargers to control the direction of rout, which just has to be cheesy.
Just like that cheesy dog controls the sheep.
Yes, but do the sheep run in the direction the dog is facing, or simply away from the dog?

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:26 am
by rbodleyscott
lawrenceg wrote:
philqw78 wrote:
Now suppose CCCCCC is a column facing the routers and the lead element wheels left or right 89 degrees just before contact. This allows the chargers to control the direction of rout, which just has to be cheesy.
Just like that cheesy dog controls the sheep.
Yes, but do the sheep run in the direction the dog is facing, or simply away from the dog?
Not relevant. Sheep are herd animals. Herd animals, as part of their escape strategy against predators, specifically avoid running in the same direction as the predator. Humans do not have the same instinct.

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:24 am
by sagji
lawrenceg wrote:
shall wrote:Hi all,
So all you do is wheel to go directly away from the cause of the rout.
As for the words, directly away does not mean furthest away. Directly away means moving on a line perpendicular to the facing of the line you are moving away from.
This is true for an infinitely long line, but not for a finite length line-segment. If you are crossing the T of a line segment, then directly away is parallel to the line segment, not perpendicular to it.
As you are in front of this line segment you can't be crossing its T. The line segment is the front edge of a base in contact with you, or the nearest edge of a base shooting at you.

off topic

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:50 am
by lawrenceg
rbodleyscott wrote:
Not relevant. Sheep are herd animals. Herd animals, as part of their escape strategy against predators, specifically avoid running in the same direction as the predator. Humans do not have the same instinct.
Interesting. When driving near herds of animals, I found that sheep run diagonally across the road, but cattle run along the road. As for kangaroos...

http://www.snopes.com/humor/nonsense/kangaroo.asp


I also note that dead horses don't move at all, regardess of the direction of flogging.

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:59 pm
by shall
Well hearding wargamers is harder than all of that :)

All I can add on the above is that we chose direction becuase it has the least cheese and is the most realistic when you consider a wide range of circumstances on the table top. As I have pointed out having them go in other direction opens up even more cheese that I assure you will seem even more ridiculous. You can think about how to solve a single case but beleive me their are dozens of ramifications from them. We spent lots of days looking at all the possibilities, and I still see nothing here that suggests we have chosen anything but the best answer.

In any case chargers controlling the flight of breaking troops is something I find entirely realistic. Routing troops near friends under direct threat from enemy will do what they can to save themselves and trapping these troops against others did happen - the Roman did it to the Britons en-masse IIRC. I am sure I have reaed a couple of other such battle reports over the years.

If you find it cheese then perhaps best not to have your troops routing too often is the real solution. The double move of routers is partly so that it kills such potential consdierably as routers are susually well away from their initial battle lines after a single bound.

Si

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:56 pm
by philqw78
lawrenceg wrote: Yes, but do the sheep run in the direction the dog is facing, or simply away from the dog?
They run in the direction the dog tells them to

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:21 pm
by david53
philqw78 wrote:
lawrenceg wrote: Yes, but do the sheep run in the direction the dog is facing, or simply away from the dog?
They run in the direction the dog tells them to

True but who tells the dog.........