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lennis29 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:08 pm

guille1434 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:19 am Ready to battle in the arid expanses of the North African desert, here is the Lee Mk.I tank in British Army service...

Excellent Icon
For example this tank has two guns (37mm and 75mm), I think it should have the value of 75mm (HA. 13)
Continuing with the theme of penetration according to the caliber of the pistol.

Sure. In my Mod this tank have: 7/12 (SA/HA), and 11 GD. But Ini 6 (sponson cannon). Vanilla eqp have 8/6, 10, 7.

It's hard enough setting a value for tanks with just a single gun! Officially the m3 was supposed to use the 37 for AT, but it seems that they were mainly valued for the relatively longer range AT effectiveness of the 75mm. A good target would be to aim for overall 'not quite as good as a sherman'. However, the fact you have two guns each with a decent ammo load should mean a lot more than 5 ammo in the original file,. You could argue that CD for the US M3 should be slightly higher because of the 37mm canister round
Also, I realised we are risking hijacking guille's thread, (even if for a good reason) so maybe should consider a separate stats discussion.

captainjack wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:09 pm It's hard enough setting a value for tanks with just a single gun! Officially the m3 was supposed to use the 37 for AT, but it seems that they were mainly valued for the relatively longer range AT effectiveness of the 75mm. A good target would be to aim for overall 'not quite as good as a sherman'. However, the fact you have two guns each with a decent ammo load should mean a lot more than 5 ammo in the original file,. You could argue that CD for the US M3 should be slightly higher because of the 37mm canister round
Also, I realised we are risking hijacking guille's thread, (even if for a good reason) so maybe should consider a separate stats discussion.

JAjajjaja you are right, it is a very interesting subject and at the same time entertaining.
and our friend Guille really publishes his new icons for collection, so it would be good if he is encouraged to create a new post with this topic.

Yrfin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:58 pm

lennis29 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:11 pm
Another table with the value of the damage according to the gun?
For example, the value of (8.8 cm K.wK 36 is HA 17.)
(8.8 cm. PaK 43 is from HA 24)

guille forget add }
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Same Cannon, different Ammo.

The 8,8 cm Kwk 36 and the Kwk 43/Pak 43 guns were different guns, and used different, not interchangeable, ammunition. In fact...

The Kwk 36 was the gun used by the Tiger I tank, and had a 56 calibers long barrel. This model was derived from the famous 8,8 cm Flak 36/37 gun.

The Kwk 43 was the gun used by the King Tiger tank, and it had a 71 calibers long barrel. When mounted in an artillery carriage, this gun was designated PaK 43.
Because of its longer barrel and projectiles with bigger cartridge cases, the Kwk 43 was much more powerful that the Kwk 36 model, becuse it fired its projectiles to a higher velocity, which is a good thing if you want to pierce the enemy vehicles armor.

The numbers:
The Kwk 36 gun firing standard AP rounds (not fancy tungsten cored projectiles) could defeat 100 mm of armored plate inclined 30º from the vertical at 1000 m distance. In the same conditions, the Kwk 43 could defeat 165 mm of armored plate.

According to Yrfin´s tables, those numbers translate to HA values of 18 and 23, and translated to "my" table, those values would be 16 and 21... I think I will update my table with slightly higher values for the sake of commonality with Yrfin´s and the vanilla game equipment table values.

This, would be the updated table, in case of the 8,8 cm guns, it now gives values of 16 and 23 HA for the Kwk 36 and 43 guns, which are closer to Yrfin´s 18 and 23 and the vanilla game 17 and 24, which is a good thing...

Just another Tiger... A reworked icon for the late version, featuring the steel rimmed wheels. Enjoy...

Amazing

Another edition of the 5 cm PaK 38 auf Sdkfz.10 self-propelled AT. Enjoy!

More Armored desert combatants... The Sherman Mk.II (this was the denomination of the M4A1 variant) in British Army service...

EDIT: New, improved version of the unit pack uploaded.

Cool !


https://zen.yandex.ru/media/yuripasholo ... 1bdaf71c48



https://zen.yandex.ru/media/alternathis ... 45dd4c651d

Gebirgsjäger

My version of the *ahem* LG42:
Thanks Guille, for keeping this great thread alive

Edit: Fixed after PHCAS pointed out the error of my ways.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c8a07a7 ... 0e7c352727

cw58 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:47 pm My version of the LG40:

ger_7.5cm_LG40.png

Thanks Guille, for keeping this great thread alive

Hello Cw58! Thaks for sharing that recoilless gun icon, but, I think it look more like a 10,5 cm LG42, than a 7,5 cm LG, which had smaller wheels in its carriage and no shield...
Anyway, it was an icon which was missing from my collection.

guille1434 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 pm which had smaller wheels in its carriage and no shield...

Hello Phcas! Thanks for making the crewed varints of BOTH icon... Thumbs up!

guille1434 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:22 pm Hello Phcas! Thanks for making the crewed varints of BOTH icon... Thumbs up!

Yes, here are the final versions in AR and AT mode.