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Hello. I'm back from vacation, if anyone expects my confirmation for a game please write to me.

Division A

ericdoman1 Byzantine 551 - 578 with Arab Bedouin Allies 300 - 633

defeated

snooky51 Roman (425-492AD) w/ Hunnic (western) 376-454 AD allies

58 - 25

Division A

ericdoman1 ... Chinese (Zhou and Warring States) 350-222

defeated

Tyronec ... Macedonian 355-329 with Greek 460-281 Allies

64 - 52

I had make a very stupid mistake early on in the game. I had thought the stream would have affected TC's HF, DOH. SO for 80%+ of the game TC was in the lead but my numbers started to tell in the end. Even so there was still a chance TC could have nicked it.

One heck of a game and very well played TC.

ericdoman1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:13 am The majority of players are ahead of schedule with reference to completed games.

Hopefully this is now up to date. Anderacos vs Afromullet's score was a draw not a win for Anderacos.

By the end of August, I expect all to have completed 5 games. If not then we may well start making adjudications.

Western Medieval - Divisional Tables.png

Division A

Based on average scores it look as if the winner will be decided between tyronec and harvey. Tyronec has now gone 5 games unbeaten. Harvey vs TC will be the Division A Final.

Division B

Oscarius leads the way. However the winner will probably be decided between Triarii (unbeaten in 5 games) and Kroche, especially as they have to play one another.

Division C

Tomoegozen just does not want to move and remains in first place. The inevitable cannot be changed though and so either Ulysisgrunt or wellsonian will win the division. Ulysisgrunt's victory over wellsonian gives him the slightest of edges

Hello. I want to ask what my draw is, I think I have won all 3 battles and lost another. I think I've won all of them by big difference.

Vitories

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat afromullet (German City NW 1400-1449ADD) 50 to 27. Score is 83 to 27.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat gort7078 (Swiss 1491 - 1500 AD) 49 to 15. Score is 94 to 15.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat mh5064 (Florentine 1424 AD) 53 to 13. Score is 100 to 13

Losses

hscic with Danish 1488 - 1500 AD and Swedish 1397 - 1500 AD allied defeated anderarcos11 with Florentine 1415 - 1439 AD 43 - 14

My total score is 277, but in the list appears 255. The score of the challengue with afromullet is wrong.

anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:06 pm

ericdoman1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:13 am The majority of players are ahead of schedule with reference to completed games.

Hopefully this is now up to date. Anderacos vs Afromullet's score was a draw not a win for Anderacos.

By the end of August, I expect all to have completed 5 games. If not then we may well start making adjudications.

Western Medieval - Divisional Tables.png

Division A

Based on average scores it look as if the winner will be decided between tyronec and harvey. Tyronec has now gone 5 games unbeaten. Harvey vs TC will be the Division A Final.

Division B

Oscarius leads the way. However the winner will probably be decided between Triarii (unbeaten in 5 games) and Kroche, especially as they have to play one another.

Division C

Tomoegozen just does not want to move and remains in first place. The inevitable cannot be changed though and so either Ulysisgrunt or wellsonian will win the division. Ulysisgrunt's victory over wellsonian gives him the slightest of edges

Hello. I want to ask what my draw is, I think I have won all 3 battles and lost another. I think I've won all of them by big difference.

Vitories

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat afromullet (German City NW 1400-1449ADD) 50 to 27. Score is 83 to 27.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat gort7078 (Swiss 1491 - 1500 AD) 49 to 15. Score is 94 to 15.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat mh5064 (Florentine 1424 AD) 53 to 13. Score is 100 to 13

Losses

hscic with Danish 1488 - 1500 AD and Swedish 1397 - 1500 AD allied defeated anderarcos11 with Florentine 1415 - 1439 AD 43 - 14

My total score is 277, but in the list appears 255. The score of the challengue with afromullet is wrong.

A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +

ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:19 pm

anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:06 pm

ericdoman1 wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:13 am The majority of players are ahead of schedule with reference to completed games.

Hopefully this is now up to date. Anderacos vs Afromullet's score was a draw not a win for Anderacos.

By the end of August, I expect all to have completed 5 games. If not then we may well start making adjudications.

Western Medieval - Divisional Tables.png

Division A

Based on average scores it look as if the winner will be decided between tyronec and harvey. Tyronec has now gone 5 games unbeaten. Harvey vs TC will be the Division A Final.

Division B

Oscarius leads the way. However the winner will probably be decided between Triarii (unbeaten in 5 games) and Kroche, especially as they have to play one another.

Division C

Tomoegozen just does not want to move and remains in first place. The inevitable cannot be changed though and so either Ulysisgrunt or wellsonian will win the division. Ulysisgrunt's victory over wellsonian gives him the slightest of edges

Hello. I want to ask what my draw is, I think I have won all 3 battles and lost another. I think I've won all of them by big difference.

Vitories

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat afromullet (German City NW 1400-1449ADD) 50 to 27. Score is 83 to 27.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat gort7078 (Swiss 1491 - 1500 AD) 49 to 15. Score is 94 to 15.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat mh5064 (Florentine 1424 AD) 53 to 13. Score is 100 to 13

Losses

hscic with Danish 1488 - 1500 AD and Swedish 1397 - 1500 AD allied defeated anderarcos11 with Florentine 1415 - 1439 AD 43 - 14

My total score is 277, but in the list appears 255. The score of the challengue with afromullet is wrong.

A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +

I do not understand well. In all of the previous TDC, that was counted as an outright win. What is the calculation of points then?

If you look at the results of the eastern challenges, it's not counting as a draw that way. For example, the following battles are given as won and have differences of just a few points:

rpadilla1988 Crusader 1155 - 1291 defeats IMC Ayyubid Egyptian 1172-1250 AD and Khwarazmian 1232-1246 AD allies
(60 - 51)
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500 AD defeats mh5064 Byzantine 1155-1204 AD with Crusaders 63-50

Rosedelio wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:52 pm Current results:


Div A: ericdoman1 and harveylh are still neck-to-neck

Div B: angusosborne has a lead, but rpadilla1988 is catching up. Congrats to mh5064 for being the first to finish all his games.

@Ericdomann This is the example I'm talking about in western challewngues.

Division B

Hari72 Indian (Rajput) 1050-1339

defeated

anderarcos11 Fatimid egyptian 1074-1171 AD with crusader 1155-1291 AD allies

56 - 25

and only on the last turn!

GG

anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:12 pm

ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:19 pm

anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:06 pm

Hello. I want to ask what my draw is, I think I have won all 3 battles and lost another. I think I've won all of them by big difference.

Vitories

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat afromullet (German City NW 1400-1449ADD) 50 to 27. Score is 83 to 27.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat gort7078 (Swiss 1491 - 1500 AD) 49 to 15. Score is 94 to 15.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat mh5064 (Florentine 1424 AD) 53 to 13. Score is 100 to 13

Losses

hscic with Danish 1488 - 1500 AD and Swedish 1397 - 1500 AD allied defeated anderarcos11 with Florentine 1415 - 1439 AD 43 - 14

My total score is 277, but in the list appears 255. The score of the challengue with afromullet is wrong.

A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +

I do not understand well. In all of the previous TDC, that was counted as an outright win. What is the calculation of points then?

If you look at the results of the eastern challenges, it's not counting as a draw that way. For example, the following battles are given as won and have differences of just a few points:

rpadilla1988 Crusader 1155 - 1291 defeats IMC Ayyubid Egyptian 1172-1250 AD and Khwarazmian 1232-1246 AD allies
(60 - 51)
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500 AD defeats mh5064 Byzantine 1155-1204 AD with Crusaders 63-50

DYXNHL2.png

In this TDC and all previous TDC and Digital League it would have counted as a draw.
The game will tell you if it is a victory and or if your enemy has broken.
For an outright victory
The winner needs to score 40%+ and the difference between the scores is 25% +
The winner has scored 60%+ and more than opponents score

In your game you won by 23% so it is not an outright victory, it is a draw

Division C

phlewis Byzantine 551-578 AD
defeated
wzfcns Northern Dynasties (Northern Zhou) 557-581 AD

41 vs 64

It was a tough fight. On my right the Cataphracts broke through my legionaires and the Zhou cavalry were eventually able to surround and swamp my cavalry. The dismounted nobles in my center were able to defeat the cataphracts and break through the mixed infantry and turn to the right to face the Zhou that had turned my right flank. My left flank cavalry broke the Zhou right flank cavalry and turned on the Zhou infantry catching them in flank and rear. It was a close call, if wzfcns had been able to turn my right flank a turn or two sooner I would have been in deep trouble.

Division B

Hari72 Indian (Rajput) 1050-1339
challenges
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500

Challenge created and PM sent

ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:11 pm

anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:12 pm

ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:19 pm

A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +

I do not understand well. In all of the previous TDC, that was counted as an outright win. What is the calculation of points then?

If you look at the results of the eastern challenges, it's not counting as a draw that way. For example, the following battles are given as won and have differences of just a few points:

rpadilla1988 Crusader 1155 - 1291 defeats IMC Ayyubid Egyptian 1172-1250 AD and Khwarazmian 1232-1246 AD allies
(60 - 51)
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500 AD defeats mh5064 Byzantine 1155-1204 AD with Crusaders 63-50

DYXNHL2.png

In this TDC and all previous TDC and Digital League it would have counted as a draw.
The game will tell you if it is a victory and or if your enemy has broken.
For an outright victory
The winner needs to score 40%+ and the difference between the scores is 25% +
The winner has scored 60%+ and more than opponents score

In your game you won by 23% so it is not an outright victory, it is a draw

TDC - Victories.png

Ok, but then, I don't understand why in other divisions with minor differences it is given as a victory. I've been seeing that several times. I don't see that criterion in the rules either. It only says how you score based on draws or wins. I have a hard time understanding that a draw is a battle with a 23% difference. I am looking at other divisions and in all of them, it is said that one player wins over another, with differences of less than 23%. I give you two some examples:

Najanaja (Hannibal in Italy) beat Garokan (Numidian with Romans) 63 - 53.
Dreddradish Spanish (Sertorius) defeats klayeckles (Kyrenean Greek 460 with Carthiaginian Allies) 56 - 3
Bodhran (Samnites with Gallic Allies) defeated Challenge1 (Gallic 300-101 with Samnite Allies) 52-44
Badger73 (Germanic Foot Tribes 260-599 AD with Roman 379-424 AD allies) defeated wzfcns (Northern Dynasties [Northern Zhou] 557-581AD): 62-41

In this other case, in the imperial division, it is a loss by me that is counted as a win, not a draw, and the difference is 13 points.

unai98 ( Pyrrhic 280-275) defeats anderarcos11 (Roman 105-25) 47 - 60

Even in this same division, battles like this are given as victory and more points are added.

gfs26 (Low Countries 1488-1500) defeated edb1815 (Milanese 1440-1500) with a final score of 62-50
Triarii Danish 1488-1500 with German (Feudal) 1490-1500 allies Defeats (barely) oscarius Florentine 1424 AD 61-48
gfs26 (Low Countries 1488-1500) defeats GraftMalt (Berber (Murabit) 1087 - 1147 AD) with a final score of 60-57
gort7078 Swiss defeated TomoeGozen English Continentals 62-49

All the examples I see are wins in this case. So I do not understand. Either it is being done wrong in all the divisions, or something is wrong.

Division C

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat ulysisgrunt French 1484-1500. 69 to 52. Score is 77 to 52.


The battle has taken place between two hills, where the French cavalry attempted a frontal charge. The Florentines managed to take up positions on the sides of the hills and end up outflanking the French army. Adjusted victory.

Here are some draws

Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results
Div A

Questar17 Hussite (Utraquist) 1419-1479 AD draws Kroche Crusader 1155-1291AD w Syrian States allies 1090-1286AD 59:55

On very rough terrain and hilly terrain both players did a lot of shooting with the similar results. Finalizing a battle by melee combats of knights pikes and vagons.

thx for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Div A
tyronec (Macedonian)
draws with
Dredredish (Spanish)
37-3
Thanks for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Division D

phlewis 4 vs GeneralKostas 35

For a victory you need to have won by 25%+ and scored 40%+

or

Scored 60%+ and more than your opponent.

These are the rules we use, copied from the Slitherine tournaments scoring system

Div A

dreddradish (Indian) challenges carpenkm (Khorasian)

game setup and PM sent

ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 pm Here are some draws

Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results
Div A

Questar17 Hussite (Utraquist) 1419-1479 AD draws Kroche Crusader 1155-1291AD w Syrian States allies 1090-1286AD 59:55

On very rough terrain and hilly terrain both players did a lot of shooting with the similar results. Finalizing a battle by melee combats of knights pikes and vagons.

thx for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Div A
tyronec (Macedonian)
draws with
Dredredish (Spanish)
37-3
Thanks for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Division D

phlewis 4 vs GeneralKostas 35

For a victory you need to have won by 25%+ and scored 40%+

or

Scored 60%+ and more than your opponent.

These are the rules we use, copied from the Slitherine tournaments scoring system

I don't see much point in 37% vs. 3% being a draw, when it's a clear victory. That is to say, with these rules it is convenient for you to suffer losses and that the battle is prolonged, because otherwise, they will give you a draw. Has no sense.

That is the rules of the game
In Digital League, HOML, Slitherine Tournaments, WTC, EGL, LOEG and TDC. 37 -3 and 50 -27 are classed as draws. That is you did not rout the enemy. IN DL 37 - 3 would be a 2 - 1 result, 50 - 27 would be a 2 - 2 results. In the others the results would be 37 - 3 and 50 - 27

Division B

Kroche (Frankish 751-887AD w Saxon (Continental) 600-804AD allies)

Defeated

mcfcivo (Andalusian 756 - 1049AD Allies - Spanish 900-1049AD)

60:39

Map was divided horizontally by a shallow stream. There was a small hill on the Frankish right, an area of rough ground opposite with the rest open terrain. Frankish heavy infantry occupied the hill with their line continuing across the open ground with a decent force of cavalry protecting the left. Andalusians deployed their infantry in the centre with a cavalry wing on either side.

The Anadalusian left moved to change flanks as the Frankish infantry moved to engage the Muslim spear in the centre. Cavalry forces on Frankish left engaged each other in fairly equal numbers. The Frankish foot started to eat into the Muslim spear and caused them a few cohesion drops and routs. It looked like a decent victory was going to be claimed as the score moved to 18-0, but the Andalusian mounted left wing had made its way to the opposite flank and caused carnage to the Frankish cavalry who had not been doing that well vs the initial Andalusian horse deployed there.

Andalusian cavalry used their greater numbers to overcharge into countless flank attacks and bring the score to level pegging at 29-29. The Frankish infantry had managed to stay fairly intact and completely defeat the Andalusian foot just in time to form a line of defence against the rampant Andalusian lancers and stem the losses. The Andalusians had left a small force on their left which was eventually overpowered by the Franks initially deployed on the hill.

Lots of huge swings in momentum in this match and Frankish survivors do not want to come up against mounted lancers again anytime soon! GG

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