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lennis29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 pm Can you tell me which plane is this?

Somebody messed with the Ju-52 graphic. If I must gamble it's a poor try to make it look like a Fw-200.

lennis29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 pm Can you tell me which plane is this?

I suspect it's supposed to represent a Ju 290.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_290

Anduril wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:54 pm

lennis29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 pm Can you tell me which plane is this?

I suspect it's supposed to represent a Ju 290.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_290

It has a very wrong tail then.

phcas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:04 pm

Anduril wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:54 pm

lennis29 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:39 pm Can you tell me which plane is this?

I suspect it's supposed to represent a Ju 290.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_290

It has a very wrong tail then.

Yes, also the Fw 200.

I think, till now, there are no heavy Soviet trucks in PzCorps unir roster... Now, we can use the YaG-10 8 ton truck.

Greetings!

guille1434 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:46 pm I think, till now, there are no heavy Soviet trucks in PzCorps unir roster... Now, we can use the YaG-10 8 ton truck.

Greetings!

Great idea )

http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/yag10/yag10.html
https://topwar.ru/151779-gruzovik-jag-1 ... osnyj.html


http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/tyagachi.html

http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/

http://alternathistory.com/yaroslavskie-vundervafli/

This trucks are in the mod already

Hey guille, I really liked that V-2 icon with the camo added, I was wondering if there is a similar for the V-1 as well to replace the stock grey one with added camo or painting? Not sure what camo was applied to it, most photos show it having an olive green top and grey bottom, like the one I took in the Imperial War Museum in London:



However, note that the V-2 next to it has a similar overall green painting, but on the internet I mostly see it with a similar camo that you uploaded so that other icon seems to be spot on, but who knows, maybe there was a similar green painting for the V-2 as well, or the one in the museum was repainted unhistorically...

EDIT: hmm... now I can't even find that V-2 icon with the camo added. Maybe it wasn't even you?

Hello Mac:

Yes, it was me who decided to make an icon to replace the "test" V2 missile with the "chequered" paint scheme with a more warlike camouflage pattern, but...

Historically, I always saw that V2 missiles photographed during wartime were painted in one uniform color, which probably was olive green like the one we can see in the IWM. I cannot tell for sure because I never saw a wartime color photo of a V2. Probably, the flashy, splintered, three tone camouflage we see all over the internet was born from the imagination of some scale model box art designer or builder. After all, why bother to make such an elaborate camo pattern (spending much time and different paint tones on it) on an object that was going to be exposed a short time to enemy eyesight before being launched and turning absolutely impossible to intercept by Allied defenses? The V2 rockets were kept hidden below tree canopies in forests or in railway tunnels, before being moved to a clear spot to be erected and launched, a maneuver that took a relatively shrot time. Besides, measuring some 14 m long, to paint a V2 in such an elaborate scheme, would have taken some time (which was something that Germans did not have plenty in late war). So, I think the one tone green paint scheme was (probably) the more "historical" one.

The same goes for the V1, which was even a cheaper, mass produced "disposable" weapon (although not impossible to intercept, but I think it was planned to be used in "saturation" attack waves)... I think the color schemes shown on the IWM were the historically correct ones.

Nevertheless, I will make a DCS base icon and mask to be able to "paint" a V1 in the historical, and also in good looking multiple tone camo schemes...

phcas wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 7:08 am 03086_YAG-10.png
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This trucks are in the mod already

Very Well
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/tyagachi.html
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/broneavtomobile.html
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/lighttanks.html
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/mediumtanks.html
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/heavytanks.html
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/sau.html


The Terrot VATT 750 is one of the most reliable "machines" in the service of the French army.
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/motosofwar/ ... 275bb8c043


The German Emplacement is ready for transport.
https://topwar.ru/26557-germanskaya-per ... ochka.html


Mobile and stationary emplacements
https://smolbattle.ru/threads/%D0%9F%D0 ... %B8.34845/

Historically, I always saw that V2 missiles photographed during wartime were painted in one uniform color, which probably was olive green like the one we can see in the IWM. I cannot tell for sure because I never saw a wartime color photo of a V2. Probably, the flashy, splintered, three tone camouflage we see all over the internet was born from the imagination of some scale model box art designer or builder.

Actually I managed to find at least one photo that shows it with a similar camo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6iKXaxCQAAXbbQ.jpg

However, it looks like the tail part is covered with some canvas maybe that one has the camouflage. But the body of the rocket looks like camouflaged.
And there is another one on the left ready to launch and that one is also camouflaged in full. So I don't know...

After all, why bother to make such an elaborate camo pattern (spending much time and different paint tones on it) on an object that was going to be exposed a short time to enemy eyesight before being launched and turning absolutely impossible to intercept by Allied defenses?

I can see some reasoning behind that as the only way to destroy them was to find them on the ground just before launching and this camo scheme could have made it harder. And to have a look at the other side of the coin: why let the enemy to see it easily from an airplane and destroy this miracle weapon, when we can hide it by adding some camo? The cost and the effort of the camo paint could be dwarfed by the cost of the rocket itself, especially if we know that it was fueled by 75% alcohol, and somewhere I read that the alcohol for that was made from tons of potatoes (not necessarily a good idea when we have to feed millions of hungry people), so why waste all this effort if one can reduce the risk by adding some camo?

So, I think the one tone green paint scheme was (probably) the more "historical" one.

But yeah, it looks like that was more common, just would not want to exclude that maybe there were two versions and in some cases they might have used the more elaborate camo when the had the means.

Ah, and there is a video on youtube as well showing several rockets sporting this camo, but the title says "V2 launch testing" - so maybe this camo was also only used for test versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94T8VxOOvdI

Nevertheless, I will make a DCS base icon and mask to be able to "paint" a V1 in the historical, and also in good looking multiple tone camo schemes...

For sure, the best we can have is to have a selection and then choose which one looks best in the game while being (somewhat?) historical as well.



EDIT:

Yeah, so I read it on wikipedia that the V-2 project consumed one third of Germany's fuel alcohol production and "to distil the fuel alcohol for one V-2 launch required 30 tonnes of potatoes at a time when food was becoming scarce."

And as a sidenote, uzbek posted in the other topic that at the same time the Allies 'bombed" the Netherlands with potatoes (and other food products) to help tackle with the famine... so maybe some German soldiers just caught the delivery and said "cheers folks, now we can make even more rockets to terrorize you, just don't forget to send more next time!"

Here are the camouflaged versions of the V-1 bomb, in ground and flight states (in this last case, I added an exhaust flame for some "spectacularity" ).
I hope you like them!!

Haha, that was fast, thanks, I like it!

Mac:

Very interesting photo of the camouflaged V-2. Your reasoning is also plausible, about expending some effort in protecting a very expensive weapon with a relatively cheap camo paint job... But, that image makes me think that it would also be a good idea to make protective camouflaged canvas covers to protect (visually from enemy spotting speaking) the rockets, which would be removed before launching a be reusable, achieving a visual protection and avoiding the use of a lot of paint and time. But as it is almost the case, things in real world tend to be varied (and maybe chaotic) so, the most probable situation would have been that there were plain painted and multi-colored camouflaged missiles.

Thanks for the photographic and video references... It looks like the fancy splintered camo was not a modern invention, but it was real, after all. This is good news!

PS: I am glad you liked those V-1. It was a fast response, indeed... You won´t believe the amount of time that can be saved by finding the correct images on-line. Thanks to "Internet God"!

Little reworks

What is the uniqueness of this ordinary, at first glance, photograph
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/nil/v-chem- ... 0b89d49b40

uzbek2012 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:00 pm
What is the uniqueness of this ordinary, at first glance, photograph
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/nil/v-chem- ... 0b89d49b40

That looks like a Porsche Tiger in front of an early mark Panther

Where did you find that picture? I have two books in my library from when I was a boy by George Forty, German Tanks of World War Two and World War Two Tanks, along with several other books and have never seen that picture.

I just did a quick run through my books and none have pictures with the Henschel turret mounted. All have the counter weights placed for trials.

That looks like a Panzer IV turret on the Panther hull as well.