Slitherine

I thought autobreak worked only when the unit had to do a cohesion test. But the other I had the two units of the same melee autobreaking which was a bit suprising.
I guess then that the autobreak is triggered only on damage whatever the result of the fight (even if it "wins"). Am I right ?

BMAXIMUS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:54 pm I thought autobreak worked only when the unit had to do a cohesion test. But the other I had the two units of the same melee autobreaking which was a bit suprising.
I guess then that the autobreak is triggered only on damage whatever the result of the fight (even if it "wins"). Am I right ?

Yes, whenever strength is below the threshold (around 50% of original strength for average), the unit autobreaks.

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:14 pm

BMAXIMUS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:54 pm I thought autobreak worked only when the unit had to do a cohesion test. But the other I had the two units of the same melee autobreaking which was a bit suprising.
I guess then that the autobreak is triggered only on damage whatever the result of the fight (even if it "wins"). Am I right ?

Yes, whenever strength is below the threshold (around 50% of original strength for average), the unit autobreaks.

So if , after auto break, you take a test (eg general joins) and pass, presumably you recover as normal ? If you take further casualties do you auto break again or is it only the once?

grahamed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:01 pm So if , after auto break, you take a test (eg general joins) and pass, presumably you recover as normal ? If you take further casualties do you auto break again or is it only the once?

Autobroken units can never rally

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:50 pm

grahamed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:01 pm So if , after auto break, you take a test (eg general joins) and pass, presumably you recover as normal ? If you take further casualties do you auto break again or is it only the once?

Autobroken units can never rally

Ahh thanks

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:50 pm

grahamed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:01 pm So if , after auto break, you take a test (eg general joins) and pass, presumably you recover as normal ? If you take further casualties do you auto break again or is it only the once?

Autobroken units can never rally

Raw and below average units autobreak at levels above 50%, right? Such as 60 and 55%, respectively. And technically, since units cannot rally if below 50% (isn't that the formal rule), those units could auto break and still rally (if at least 50% strength)?

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:18 pm Raw and below average units autobreak at levels above 50%, right? Such as 60 and 55%, respectively. And technically, since units cannot rally if below 50% (isn't that the formal rule), those units could auto break and still rally (if at least 50% strength)?

No, autobroken units never rally

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:01 pm

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:18 pm Raw and below average units autobreak at levels above 50%, right? Such as 60 and 55%, respectively. And technically, since units cannot rally if below 50% (isn't that the formal rule), those units could auto break and still rally (if at least 50% strength)?

No, autobroken units never rally

Snuggle/Kronen I cant find anything in the manual about 50% or all autobroken units not rallying, do you know where this is set out?

grahamed wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:12 pm

SnuggleBunnies wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:01 pm

kronenblatt wrote: ↑Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:18 pm Raw and below average units autobreak at levels above 50%, right? Such as 60 and 55%, respectively. And technically, since units cannot rally if below 50% (isn't that the formal rule), those units could auto break and still rally (if at least 50% strength)?

No, autobroken units never rally

Snuggle/Kronen I cant find anything in the manual about 50% or all autobroken units not rallying, do you know where this is set out?

It may not say so in the manual, but autobroken units never test for rallying, so cannot ever rally.

Thanks thats clear, though it would be better if it was published in the manual, or at least in the patch notes, otherwise someone might mistakenly join a general to it in a hopeless vain attempt to rally.

grahamed wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:22 am Thanks thats clear, though it would be better if it was published in the manual, or at least in the patch notes, otherwise someone might mistakenly join a general to it in a hopeless vain attempt to rally.

True.

Although even if they could rally, that would be a pretty daft thing to do as they would Autobreak again as soon as they suffered any further casualties.

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 am

grahamed wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:22 am Thanks thats clear, though it would be better if it was published in the manual, or at least in the patch notes, otherwise someone might mistakenly join a general to it in a hopeless vain attempt to rally.

True.

Although even if they could rally, that would be a pretty daft thing to do as they would Autobreak again as soon as they suffered any further casualties.

Exactly

rbodleyscott wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:41 am

grahamed wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:22 am Thanks thats clear, though it would be better if it was published in the manual, or at least in the patch notes, otherwise someone might mistakenly join a general to it in a hopeless vain attempt to rally.

True.

Although even if they could rally, that would be a pretty daft thing to do as they would Autobreak again as soon as they suffered any further casualties.

Er, yes, well that was my original question,

….“ after auto break, you take a test (eg general joins) and pass, presumably you recover as normal ? If you take further casualties do you auto break again or is it only the once?” ….

Because whilst that may be the way its coded and indeed the intention, it is not at all clear in the manual and could be read as autobreak when you pass the [half] strength boundary, and given there are ( albeit rare) stories of units fighting on until destroyed such an interpretation is not entirely unreasonable

Still its very clear now, a unit below half strength is all but as useful as a unit thats dispersed, or routed off table ( unless you ate looking for some moving, but impassable terrain!)

grahamed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:28 pm Still its very clear now, a unit below half strength is all but as useful as a unit that's dispersed, or routed off table ( unless you ate looking for some moving, but impassable terrain!)

Although, for competition purposes, does not a unit below half strength still count as "combat effective" for scoring purposes, while dispersed and routed units count as losses? Wouldn't that make preserving them worth your while?

Badger73 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:35 pm

grahamed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:28 pm Still its very clear now, a unit below half strength is all but as useful as a unit that's dispersed, or routed off table ( unless you ate looking for some moving, but impassable terrain!)

Although, for competition purposes, does not a unit below half strength still count as "combat effective" for scoring purposes, while dispersed and routed units count as losses? Wouldn't that make preserving them worth your while?

Badger, i’m confused, if a unit below half strength autobreaks and can’t rally surely it does not count?

grahamed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:15 pm

Badger73 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:35 pm

grahamed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:28 pm Still its very clear now, a unit below half strength is all but as useful as a unit that's dispersed, or routed off table ( unless you ate looking for some moving, but impassable terrain!)

Although, for competition purposes, does not a unit below half strength still count as "combat effective" for scoring purposes, while dispersed and routed units count as losses? Wouldn't that make preserving them worth your while?

Badger, i’m confused, if a unit below half strength autobreaks and can’t rally surely it does not count?

I think Badger thought you were talking about unbroken units that are below half strength.

Only average or below average morale units break at half strength. Units that are above average, superior, etc need to loose more than half strength to autobreak.

Paul59 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:22 pm

grahamed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:15 pm

Badger73 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:35 pm

Although, for competition purposes, does not a unit below half strength still count as "combat effective" for scoring purposes, while dispersed and routed units count as losses? Wouldn't that make preserving them worth your while?

Badger, i’m confused, if a unit below half strength autobreaks and can’t rally surely it does not count?

I think Badger thought you were talking about unbroken units that are below half strength.

Yes, that's what I was referencing.

Ok thanks.

For clarity my question was intended to be does a unit which passes the autobreak threshold ( below half strength for an average unit) have no more “value” or usefulness than a dispersed unit, other than as a mobile obstacle . Compared to say a broken unit which does at least have a chance to rally?

grahamed wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:27 pm Ok thanks.

For clarity my question was intended to be does a unit which passes the autobreak threshold ( below half strength for an average unit) have no more “value” or usefulness than a dispersed unit, other than as a mobile obstacle . Compared to say a broken unit which does at least have a chance to rally?

It has no more “value” than a dispersed unit. It is only not taken off immediately because the enemy may pursue.