Slitherine

I dont know what just happened, but in my match with StefanDK, the game just skipped my turn 3 as germans.

Stefan noticed it too and asked if I just got skipped a turn.

This is pretty vital especially so early on and cost me a paratrooper and half of two units on boats plus the turn off course. Also I didn´t bother finishing with turn 4 off course.

I´ve asked Stefan to start over, but dont know what the rules are regarding this.

This have never happened to me before.

WarHomer wrote:I dont know what just happened, but in my match with StefanDK, the game just skipped my turn 3 as germans.

Stefan noticed it too and asked if I just got skipped a turn.

This is pretty vital especially so early on and cost me a paratrooper and half of two units on boats plus the turn off course. Also I didn´t bother finishing with turn 4 off course.

I´ve asked Stefan to start over, but dont know what the rules are regarding this.

This have never happened to me before.

I have not had that happen before either.

If Stefandk agrees to restarting at least your German round or the whole thing I will leave up to you.

I am sorry this technological flaw has occurred.

I will leave it up to you both on how to resolve.

I have communicated with Goose and Warhomer on the matter and decided to agree to restarting the ONE game where the glitch happened.

So I hope it is possible to surrender in one side of the paired game and still continue it? So we will run two separate games I guess.

Have anybody else ever experienced anything like this? I have replay freezes, but nothing that skips my turn. If the game starts to do this I will exit the tournament since the process will be too unreliable then. People will be able to start taking advantage of this which I hope NONE will.

Round 2: Norway - Results

Lionheart vs. sn0wball

sn0wball won both as the Axis and the Allies, as Lionheart surrendered both games during turn 10

One thing I noticed with the tournament rules:

It would make sense to switch the player who goes first.

For example:
If player A opens the game for round 1, Player B accepts and plays the first round with the attacker.
Now for round 2 player A gets an opponent who played the first round with the attacker in round 1 - just like Player B. But now it's the other way around: Player A gets invited, so he plays the first round this time.

Depending how Goose is setting up his statistics it shouldn't be a real issue...

Why? WHY?! you may ask...

There are maps where it really sucks to reveal your strategy and give your opponent the incentive to adopt what he saw. Norway is a good example.
Let's say I decide to deep strike with my paratroopers and set them down somewhere behind enemy lines, not on the airfields. It's a clear disadvantage in some scenarios, in others you just show your opponent a decent way to start and get nothing in return for the whole tournament, because as it seems you are always going either first or always second.
Just my thoughts.

(Not that it mattered in our case. NightPhoenix didn't copy anything... that's why he is probably winning this. So I'm not complaining... yet. Maybe I will start to complain about the weather pretty soon. Thundergod, Thor... however you want to be called... consider this a fair warning. Or else... )

I do analyze the map and OOB before the start of the match, think about the possible alternative approaches and finally form something like an OP plan.

Personally, for example, I come to the conclusion that airdrops on the southern airfields and near fortress Oscarsborg are the most effective use of the paratrooper formations during the initial phase.
Watching the opponent doing it another way wouldn't change my decision for the mirror game, since I would've already considered that alternative and didn't find it promising.
(But of course it may force me to change plan and adapt in the same game, with the opposite side, to counter that).

So, in short, personally I don't think that it is a significant disadvantage to first reveal a game turn.

rag116 reporting on round 2: Norway - Results as follows: rag116 wins as Germans on turn 19
Thaler wins as Germans on turn 25
It was a hard fought battle vs Thaler on both sides he is a very skilled opponent.

=P If only i was actually winning, but I'm getting my ass kicked quite handily here. We'll were both still in it i guess. That weather has been dragging me down quite a bit, nothing but rain and mud for the last couple turns and no end in sight. Guess praying to Thor really does help. I'll try too!

Either way, i do agree with you that it would be nice to switch that up to have you alternate between playing the first turn. Although it works both ways, the axis player starting will also see the first turn of the enemy defense, and could get ideas from how to form their own effective defense against the other player. But alternating is probably good for sake of fairness.

TigerTiger007

Just checking to see if all is well. We were moving along at like 6 turns a day. Got to critical turn 20 and 21 and the turns stopped.

I secured a win on 19 with the Germans and our game with me as Allies is stuck at turn 23. If you are out there, can we please finish off that game please

Thanks!
Ratprince

I (a432) have won my match vs SSIGeneral . He Surrendered both games. I won with axis turn 20, and allies turn 21.

Highlights of the game when I was allied:
1) shot down a BF110 with my hurricane
2) Watched a bf109 crash due to running out of fuel
3) Watched wave after wave of German paratroops die trying to land and attack near Namsos. (I full killed at least 10 different paratrooper squads)
4) After holding the pass between Dombas and Trondheim pushing the Germans all the way out back into the sea

Nothing special with my game as Axis, just a slow methodical advance towards Trondheim. The Allies tried to defend each and every city the best they could. Good delaying action but only caused one causality the entire game.

I'm having problems accepting the challenge for this round.

djinnwind set up our game the other day, I see it in the accept a challenge, but it won't accept the password, which I believe is tournament. I've sent a PM to him and waiting for a reply.

At what point does a game become abandoned during the tournament?

We were moving at a 5 or 6 turn a day clip and then nothing for 3 days. I believe it may be player morale break due to the situation.

Do we wait until the day before the end date? Or what...

Thanks

Ratprince

Lifever wrote:One thing I noticed with the tournament rules:
Why? WHY?! you may ask...

There are maps where it really sucks to reveal your strategy and give your opponent the incentive to adopt what he saw. Norway is a good example.
Let's say I decide to deep strike with my paratroopers and set them down somewhere behind enemy lines, not on the airfields. It's a clear disadvantage in some scenarios, in others you just show your opponent a decent way to start and get nothing in return for the whole tournament, because as it seems you are always going either first or always second.
Just my thoughts.

We do have mirror games here, so there is no start player. Once the challenge is accepted both players have a turn as the attacker. When you have accepted the game you may do your first move directly, but you have not to. So you can wait for the move of your opponent first, if you wish to. The player doing the first move is doing first move, that's it.

For me it is a question of honour to play the turns in sequel. To play the first turn as defender first and then the first turn as an attacker second, I would consider as dishonourable and it obvious, because you release the sequel of turns your opponent.

Best regards
Gwaylare

I would be casting my vote for skipping Sealion 40 and going straight towards Greece. I'm a bit afraid in most of the matches the Germans would just be expelled from the UK, which would make for uninteresting matches i think. ( I'm not sure ) I would also like the tournament to delve further into the campaign, might i be so lucky to get there. Skipping Sealion40 means the campaign will go further. Due to the nature of the tournament there will be a maximum of 9 rounds or something anyways, the further we get the better for me! ( This will probably be the first and only time to play the regular campaign missions so i'd like to see as much as possible. XD )

agreed.

sea lion is a bit demoralizing and some players may slow play or abandon games if losing badly.

Greece is a bit more balanced

Plus, I want to see Russia!

Hi goose

Same for me I do not like those maps with heavy navy interaction and landing all troups. For Norway that is fine, because the landing is almost done and the navy starts far separated. Still Norway it is a very special map.
In Sealion 40 you are able to loose the map within the first 2 turn, if you do not know exactly what to do.
The most exciting maps like Moscow, Kiev and Stalingrad are still waiting and for those you who will get the third defeat it would be fair to get it on a real panzer corp map and not on a navy map like seelion.

In fact seelion was the reason because I did not play the campaign for second time after my first run in 2011.

Best regards
Gwaylare

ratprince wrote:agreed.

sea lion is a bit demoralizing and some players may slow play or abandon games if losing badly.

Greece is a bit more balanced

Plus, I want to see Russia!

I agree!

I took my turn against topgun yesterday and it said internet connection ... Blah, blah, so I needed to retry 2-3 times and it went through finally. We are are a little behind too. I’m optimistic we will make the 3/3 deadline

Definitely agree with skipping sealion and going to Greece.