Slitherine

rbodleyscott wrote:

david53 wrote:
Not being that experienced only difference is being able to expand and move is that right!

Almost.

The critical difference for most Cavalry is that undrilled have to take a CMT to expand without moving. Failing this can be disastrous if they are trying to switch to "evade mode" prior to being charged.

This is a massive one - plus Drilled can do the expansion and move if they pass a CMT. Doesn't look much on paper but in a game it is.

You get this huge bonus for all of 1 point on the cost of the troops

An advanced weapon system - lance, expensive kit - horse, significant training - drilled, how could such troops ever be "poor"?

Handing someone a lance, a horse, some armour, allocating them a unit, and giving them a "Lancers for Dummies" training manual does not instantly make them talented.

I do think that some of the core team have been surprised by the 19 BG drilled MF success as that did not seem to come out in playtesting but that is the only major surprise so far. If it was an imbalance that produced a killer army, I would expect to see riots of wargamers demanding the right to use large numbers of small BG in comps. Not seen reports of that, just yet. I have seen people complaining that Graham is too good but that is not limited to FoG.

No not really a surprise at all. Flank charges are always hard to engineer and good to get, but take skill. FWIW I had a very similar army designed for the same comp that GE first used it, but unfortunately had to drop out to be at home with Magda.

FWIW I don't see any imbalance of any significance as yet - rather a lot of balance. One of the issues is that over 10 or 20 games you can get local patterns, over 200 games with lots of armies you see much less of it.

Si

Can I point out that it is less than a year since they were released, so how can we be so sure they need changing.

I for one am still learning the rules and how to use combinations of troops. Then I will move on to looking at the army lists in detail.

So far I have found no problems, just troops behaving differently to what we have been use to for the last ten years.

Don

Donm. I don't think that they need changing. I don't think anyone on this thread does. It was more a suggestion for if we find that they do need changing. Simon, I agree.