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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:22 am
by Andy1972
yes, thats the wagon i saw in the book... But the ones im talking about are 15mm.
All i have to do to put out an hussite army is buy 8 more battlewagons.. I need to find 15mm wagons that look the part.. Not just wagons.. Though i will use the 4 i already have.
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:20 am
by marco
battle wagon against skirmishers
i think that they can't charge them
shot on them after an advance (no shoot from their front)
so can't oblige them to flee
so how can they deal with them ?
i don't manage to find it....
marco
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:23 am
by marco
marco wrote:battle wagon against skirmishers
i think that they can't charge them
shot on them after an advance (no shoot from their front)
so can't oblige them to flee
so how can they deal with them ?
i don't manage to find it....
and how many dice for the front ?
thanks for an answer
marco
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:39 am
by frederic
carlos wrote:Skirmishers can't do a thing to battlewagons and you can reach out and touch them w/ missile weapons. Might be difficult to break them though as you will have a hard time catching up.
The problem is that a Battle Wagons BG couldn't fire on its front, so you need first to reach the firing distance in a first turn (you will be fired and couldn't fire) and to turn 90° the next one (the skirmishers will have time to retreat our of your fire).
With the need of a CMT on each move it looks to me really difficult to Battle Wagons to organize a protected attack.
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:09 am
by Trench_Raider
frederic wrote:carlos wrote:Skirmishers can't do a thing to battlewagons and you can reach out and touch them w/ missile weapons. Might be difficult to break them though as you will have a hard time catching up.
The problem is that a Battle Wagons BG couldn't fire on its front, so you need first to reach the firing distance in a first turn (you will be fired and couldn't fire) and to turn 90° the next one (the skirmishers will have time to retreat our of your fire).
With the need of a CMT on each move it looks to me really difficult to Battle Wagons to organize a protected attack.
I would think that's why you would have a couple of small units of cavalry to clear out the skirmish trash out in front of your line harrassing your wagons.
TR
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:03 pm
by carlos
The Hussites didn't build battlewagons to beat up skirmishers, I can tell you that much. That sort of confrontation is pretty much a tie - the skirmishers can't do anything to the BWgs and the latter can't really catch the skirmishers. It's a bit like HF against skirmishers, really.
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:53 pm
by marco
i understand
but what i think that it's strange that a line of light foot can stopp a BG of BW
................realy stopp it ............
with nothing to do...
a HF can charge...
marco
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:30 pm
by carlos
Why is that strange? BWgs never charged anything - they would have to expose their vulnerable pack animals that way and they certainly are not heavy chariots in that way. Besides, if they did make into "contact" w/ LF what would happen then? The LF could just unengage at will since the BWgs are stuck in place. I recommend some kind of escort for the BWgs.
15mm battle wagons
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:02 am
by gozerius
Minifigs has the best battle wagons in 15mm, IMO. Also has artillery wagons.
Look just like the ones in Osprey's Medieval German Armies 1300-1500.
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:51 am
by marco
the strange thing is that in Bw there were 10 or 20 mens
all with crossbow, guns, axe, flail ect...
and they are stopped by light foot.....
marco
anyway i will make certainly the army
but for me it's a "bug"
marco
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:21 am
by rogerg
Some of the men from the battle wagons will be in the BG's of heavy foot allowed in the Hussite list. They will be able to move the opposing skirmishers back. The wagons are primarily a defensive barrier. In the game you move them to where they can set up to fire and tempt an enemy attack, because it is the only way that the opponent can win. If the wagons could push back skirmishers they would be chariots. This would be a bug in the rules.
To play well with a Hussite army means using the different arms together. The wagons hold space and secure the flanks of other groups. The latter clear space for the wagons and deliver the winning blows.