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Kaptajn_Congoboy wrote:Proper two-component epoxy (like Araldite) require a while to bond - like, 2 hours for initial bonding and up to 20 hours for the matrix to form. Once this is set, however, it is more likely you'll manage to pull the pewter apart than the epoxy.

Some epoxy variants can be cured by UV light exposure and set much faster. They are also very strong.

If you have the patience and don't require the rapid but fairly weak bonding of cyanoacrylate superglues, I'd recommend trying epoxy again.

i tried one final test (i'm nothing if not a sucker for punishment), and yup. superflue=bad.

and have tried ADOS F2.

not too bad. easier to handle than two-part expoxy and seems to bond well. you just need to make sure the glue isn't partially dry when you apply it.

Flu is bad enough, but SUPERFLUE, WOW.

setomidor wrote:I bought a bottle of odorless AC glue, and I'm feeling much better despite gluing together 100+ models since! The bonding time is slightly longer for this particular glue, but that's a trade off that I'm willing to do

Could you name the brand? I suspect I have the same issue. It turns out about 5% of the population can get sensitized this way (if you believe wikipedia).

I found this Super-Gold Odorless .5oz CA Adhesive Glue

here http://shoprcmodels.com/rc-model-cars-t ... p_261.html

but would love to know what my options are.

Thanks

Follow up:

Yes, that's the brand that worked for me.

I'm now officially convinced that I am indeed allergic to super glue. After using my full bottle of the Super-Gold stuff, I tried the War Glue that was also mentioned in this thread. Turned out that did NOT work out, and I've now been sick for several days.

I also think it's more than an allergic reaction, cause I seem to get really sensitive to regular colds and stuff when exposed to the glue as well. Could be that the reaction hits my immune system hard, so regular bacteria can get through easier.

setomidor wrote:Follow up:

Yes, that's the brand that worked for me.

I'm now officially convinced that I am indeed allergic to super glue. After using my full bottle of the Super-Gold stuff, I tried the War Glue that was also mentioned in this thread. Turned out that did NOT work out, and I've now been sick for several days.

I also think it's more than an allergic reaction, cause I seem to get really sensitive to regular colds and stuff when exposed to the glue as well. Could be that the reaction hits my immune system hard, so regular bacteria can get through easier.

Do you have a reaction to nail polish, nail polish remover or pine based disinfectants ? (same or similar VOCs given off)

setomidor wrote:Follow up:

Yes, that's the brand that worked for me.

I'm now officially convinced that I am indeed allergic to super glue. After using my full bottle of the Super-Gold stuff, I tried the War Glue that was also mentioned in this thread. Turned out that did NOT work out, and I've now been sick for several days.

I also think it's more than an allergic reaction, cause I seem to get really sensitive to regular colds and stuff when exposed to the glue as well. Could be that the reaction hits my immune system hard, so regular bacteria can get through easier.

(in medical mode) colds "live" in sensitive tissue in your nasal cavity for some time awaiting an opportunity to attack. Cold weather genuinely increases their chances of successfully spreading into the body so a "cold" is a very appropriate name. Back on topic...the symptoms caused by the superglue will be assisting the cold to launch its attack.

tadamson: Not sure really, I'm not exposed to those substances that often

bobm: I see, thanks for confirming this! That makes all the strange never-ending "colds" I've had during the last few years (including the current one) fit in perfectly. Also explains why my GF never seems to get infected...

setomidor wrote:Follow up:

Yes, that's the brand that worked for me.

I'm now officially convinced that I am indeed allergic to super glue. After using my full bottle of the Super-Gold stuff, I tried the War Glue that was also mentioned in this thread. Turned out that did NOT work out, and I've now been sick for several days.

I also think it's more than an allergic reaction, cause I seem to get really sensitive to regular colds and stuff when exposed to the glue as well. Could be that the reaction hits my immune system hard, so regular bacteria can get through easier.

yup. my original symptoms kicked off after a cold, so i assumed that's all it was.

once i'd had the sniffles etc for about 6 weeks... i began to get suspicious.

and i haven't used superglue for months. and have been just fine.

tadamson wrote:
Do you have a reaction to nail polish, nail polish remover or pine based disinfectants ? (same or similar VOCs given off)

i get a very weak reaction to the spray-paint i use to undercoat, but not too badly.

the main thing to watch out for?

they often use cyanoacrylate in hospitals to close wounds. if you're allergic, this could be a serious issue.

maybe.

OldenTired wrote:
a tiny whiff and my nose runs, a lot.

Well, just going by Aussie prices, the current $/L rate of unleaded is a LOT less than that of Superglue, so I'd go with sniffing petrol if I were you.

Ian

OldenTired wrote:

tadamson wrote:
Do you have a reaction to nail polish, nail polish remover or pine based disinfectants ? (same or similar VOCs given off)

i get a very weak reaction to the spray-paint i use to undercoat, but not too badly.

the main thing to watch out for?

they often use cyanoacrylate in hospitals to close wounds. if you're allergic, this could be a serious issue.

maybe.

From the description the reaction is to the VOCs (volatile organic compounds) given off rather than to the actual glue. A fan blowing any fumes away from your face should eliminate most of the problem.

tadamson wrote:

OldenTired wrote:

tadamson wrote:
Do you have a reaction to nail polish, nail polish remover or pine based disinfectants ? (same or similar VOCs given off)

i get a very weak reaction to the spray-paint i use to undercoat, but not too badly.

the main thing to watch out for?

they often use cyanoacrylate in hospitals to close wounds. if you're allergic, this could be a serious issue.

maybe.

From the description the reaction is to the VOCs (volatile organic compounds) given off rather than to the actual glue. A fan blowing any fumes away from your face should eliminate most of the problem.

nope. tried it. even used a mask.

OldenTired wrote:

tadamson wrote:

OldenTired wrote: i get a very weak reaction to the spray-paint i use to undercoat, but not too badly.

the main thing to watch out for?

they often use cyanoacrylate in hospitals to close wounds. if you're allergic, this could be a serious issue.

maybe.

From the description the reaction is to the VOCs (volatile organic compounds) given off rather than to the actual glue. A fan blowing any fumes away from your face should eliminate most of the problem.

nope. tried it. even used a mask.

Bummer....

time to switch to epoxy glues and chemical accelerators (though you may end up with a similar sensitivity to them)

tadamson wrote:
Bummer....

time to switch to epoxy glues and chemical accelerators (though you may end up with a similar sensitivity to them)

first comment at the top of the page...

OldenTired wrote:

tadamson wrote:
Bummer....

time to switch to epoxy glues and chemical accelerators (though you may end up with a similar sensitivity to them)

first comment at the top of the page...

ALDOS F2 is a superglue with toluene and acetone solvents, if that doesnt affect you, you aren't allergic to any 'super glue'.

nb that one is about as bad as it gets !!!!

http://max.chemwatch.net/cg2/msds.exe?& ... pwd=vAjbcD

???

tadamson wrote:

OldenTired wrote:

tadamson wrote:
Bummer....

time to switch to epoxy glues and chemical accelerators (though you may end up with a similar sensitivity to them)

first comment at the top of the page...

ALDOS F2 is a superglue with toluene and acetone solvents, if that doesnt affect you, you aren't allergic to any 'super glue'.

nb that one is about as bad as it gets !!!!

http://max.chemwatch.net/cg2/msds.exe?& ... pwd=vAjbcD

???

must be something else in the superglue then, because it's the only adhesive i'm allergic too.

OldenTired wrote:
must be something else in the superglue then, because it's the only adhesive i'm allergic too.

You must be highly sensitive to the CA fumes. Not much you can do about it. A damp mask would polymerise the fumes before you breath them in but you may still react to the polymer.

nb. to anyone reading, please do not put superglue directly on to any cotton material (instant heat, fire, toxic fumes etc)

Glad to hear that there's hope for those alergic to the stuff.

My own "reaction" to superglue came when I had a tube clog, and tried "forcing" the glue out by squeezing harder. I had the good sense to point the end of the tube away from me, which proved to be my undoing when the seam at the bottom of the tube split and drenched my entire hand in glue. I managed to drop the tube into the waste can and at least made certain it was clear of any other objects before the glue set, but the fingers were hopelessly stuck together. A quick search of my supplies found nothing that would remove the glue without taking the fingers with it, and no "specialty" stores were open at that hour, so I was forced to trek to the local supermarket for some nail polish remover. While standing in line, remover in one hand and the other hand twisted in a bizarre position, the customer behind me commented "glued 'em together, did'ja?", to which I replied "how can you tell?". I keep the remainder of the remover close to my work table so it's handy for the next disaster.

I once found out a few important things about hot glue.

Firstly, it's really sticky. Sticky enough to glue things together.

Secondly, it's really hot. Hot enough to burn things if you've stuck them together.

Thirdly, having discovered the first two facts by getting hot glue all over the fingers of one hand, do not try to wipe it off using the other hand. You just end up burning *all* your fingers if you do that.

Sitting with my hands in a bucket of iced water for an hour avoided a trip to casualty, but it was a few days before I could feel anything other than a burning sensation in my fingers.

RichardD wrote:Firstly, it's really sticky. Sticky enough to glue things together.

Secondly, it's really hot. Hot enough to burn things if you've stuck them together.

I wonder if that's why they call it "hot" & "glue"