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Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:02 am
by gozerius
The key phrase is
must pivot and/or shift by the minimum necessary to line up with the enemy bases in contact.
The first bullet indicates that to conform you either line up in full front edge contact with an enemy base, or in overlap. They are equally valid, and the bases that conform will fight in melee, though not always against the base they fought in impact.
This is then demonstrated in the diagrams in which, in each case, bases in contact move to line up with the enemy base, or overlap position, which is the shortest move necessary to reach a valid conform. The caption you are misquoting is actually part of the follow up where bases that are not in contact move to maintain BG integrity. This causes the outside base (not originally in contact) to end in overlap. You will notice that there are two bases in contact with a single base in that illustration. The base with the shortest move moves into FE contact with the original enemy base, and the other base moves its shortest move which is FE contact with the adjacent base. The emphasis is on shortest move necessary to line up.
In the OP the situation is the same as on page 93 (V2.0) where the left-hand Cav base in contact with the enemy shifts the minimum necessary, to an overlap, because the base on the right is more fully in contact with the enemy base originally contacted. Similarly, on the right, the bases must shift right to line up by the minimum necessary but are blocked by enemy, and do not move at all. They do not move left, even though there is no obstruction, because that is NOT the minimum move necessary to line up.
The same relationship is demonstrated on pages 97 and 99 which shows BGs at impact and again, after conforming, in melee. The BG on the left moves the minimum necessary to line up, which puts one base in FE contact and the other in overlap.
Please get it out of your head that only full front edge contact is a valid conform. That is not what the rule says.

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:33 am
by petedalby
Hi Chris - it will be no consolation to you, but discussions on conforming probably outnumber any other topic.

I have previously read the rules exactly as you appear to have on this issue but in the interests of having a consensus I am happy to accept the BHGS clarifications.

So it is B - or at least it is B if the BHGS clarifications are being used.

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:21 am
by ChrisTofalos
OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:31 pm
by philqw78
ChrisTofalos wrote:OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!
Don't be sorry, we all like a good argument.

Well I do

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:24 pm
by dave_r
ChrisTofalos wrote:OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!
I'd be wary about definitive answers from RBS. Especially after the recent Mamluk Javelinmen incident...

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:54 pm
by titanu
dave_r wrote:... the recent Mamluk Javelinmen incident...
Expand :D

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:28 pm
by zoltan
Welcome to Barkerville....

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:18 am
by philqw78
titanu wrote:
dave_r wrote:... the recent Mamluk Javelinmen incident...
Expand :D
He likes my lists

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:35 pm
by ravenflight
ChrisTofalos wrote:OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!
It's quite simple to get the bases to conform to 'A'. As stated in a previous thread, if the bases charging down the page do a microscopic wheel to their left, they then conform the other way. Fracking stupid if you ask me, but there it is.

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:09 pm
by dave_r
titanu wrote:
dave_r wrote:... the recent Mamluk Javelinmen incident...
Expand :D
Mr Powell was allowed to have Poor LF Javelinmen in his Mamluk list. I thought that this was illegal as that option wasn't present in the excel spreadsheet I had made. Phil said, and I quote "That's why we look at books and not at excel spreadsheets". HIs army was declared legal by RBS.

I then find out that my spreadsheet was correct and therefore Phil's argument is in tatters...

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:33 am
by gozerius
ravenflight wrote:
ChrisTofalos wrote:OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!
It's quite simple to get the bases to conform to 'A'. As stated in a previous thread, if the bases charging down the page do a microscopic wheel to their left, they then conform the other way. Fracking stupid if you ask me, but there it is.
Do I detect a little whine with that cheese?

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:09 pm
by ravenflight
gozerius wrote:
ravenflight wrote:
ChrisTofalos wrote:OK. Apologies to all. I've just got the definitive answer from Richard Bodley Scott and it's outcome 'B'!
It's quite simple to get the bases to conform to 'A'. As stated in a previous thread, if the bases charging down the page do a microscopic wheel to their left, they then conform the other way. Fracking stupid if you ask me, but there it is.
Do I detect a little whine with that cheese?
Do I detect a moron who calls a legal move cheese?

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:25 pm
by philqw78
Who gets the saucer of milk?

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:37 pm
by lawrenceg
ravenflight wrote:
Do I detect a moron who calls a legal move cheese?
Isn't "cheese" by definition a legal move? If it wasn't legal it, would be cheating.

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:36 am
by gozerius
Ravenflight, I apologize.
I thought you were referring to the stupidity the supposed legality of wheeling slightly to change the base to which you conform because you are only in corner contact.

I guess its my whine and your cheese.

Re: Conforming...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:42 am
by titanu
dave_r wrote:.. HIs army was declared legal by RBS....
Yes but I suspect he can count :D

See:

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