Re: Operation Jubilee - Dieppe raid - Pls help!
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:55 pm
Yes but they will have some what 15 ships that can bombard with them! 

Fair point. Wirbelwind is probably late war... Do you remember what the 1942 German AA was? I'll copy it over to our squads.csvLandMarine47 wrote:I don't think you should use WirbelWinds but use the other 1940 AA cannon with speed reduced to about 16 or 20.
And the Germans will have four to six 152mm Coastal Guns, which can cripple a Hunt class with one shot... Wouldn't get too cocky!LandMarine47 wrote:Yes but they will have some what 15 ships that can bombard with them!
Ok, job for you! Can you find out how this is handled in Husky?LandMarine47 wrote:Armor (Tanks Jeeps Bren Carriers etc.) should arrive in Landing Craft like is Operation Husky
Static or mobile?LandMarine47 wrote:I'm sure it was the Operation SeaLion AAs (Can't remember name)
Hehe LM, you obviously (still) haven't read our previous comment swap on bombards (see below), have you?LandMarine47 wrote:On and one more thing I found in Normandy Ninjas can you numb down the 152MM and Destroyers bombards so certain death isn't always the result?
GottaLove88s wrote:Thanks LandMarine...
Agreed that destroyer/Vorpostenboote bombard attacks are too effective. My rationale for the first cut was that RN destroyers should be more powerful than Tigers (in reality, S-class HMS Scorpion had 4x 120mm guns, Hunt-class Talybont and Tanatside had 4x 100mm guns, Vorpostenboote carried 88s, Tigers also carried 88s), so I set the APattack values with that in mind. The problem is that BA handles bombard attacks by defaulting to the APattack value in full, and that's too much for a bombard. However, I believe that I can dial that down by adding extra data to the squads.csv file, so expect that in the next update to GJS'44 and Ninjas. See discussion here -> viewtopic.php?f=104&t=42251
For now, my recommendation would be to remember that ships are BIG targets, which make them easy for 152mm coastal guns, 88s and even 75s to take a pop at, especially side on. Also, if you haven't tried it yet, they really don't like off map artillery drops. However, as you would expect, their AA defence is high.
St Nazaire & Dieppe. Operation Jubilee eh? Have you got any maps and photo recon of the battle areas? Plus some details on army/naval orders of battle and unit types for both sides? If you do, let's experiment. Sounds like a good one to add to the Normandy Ninjas package (if that's acceptable to you?) Btw, did you know that the crossword clue "French port" appeared in the Daily Telegraph on August 17th, '42, with the solution "Dieppe" on the 18th, and the raid itself on the 19th...
Bofors was the Brit AA, but I guess you mean the SdKfz 10/4 flak, right?LandMarine47 wrote:it was the German Bofors AAs except with armor so infantry can't destroy it so easily.
Ok, your mission impossible, if you choose to accept it, is to find out how this was done... If it's easy to copy, we will... If it isn't then we'll have to cheat with DUKWs... No Donald Ducks for this one...LandMarine47 wrote:May have to ask Pip or Ian to ask how it's handled like in Husky. And yes it was more of an animation but maybe you can make an LCT that can carry tanksif possible
Thanks LM! Much appreciated... Am tied up with exam prep so can't get into that part just now...LandMarine47 wrote:Just posted the question hopefully Pip and Ian. Will share their knowledge with us
The mobile 37mm should work fine...it is used in some of the early games of BA...forget the actual name...will dig it upGottaLove88s wrote:Fair point. Wirbelwind is probably late war... Do you remember what the 1942 German AA was? I'll copy it over to our squads.csvLandMarine47 wrote:I don't think you should use WirbelWinds but use the other 1940 AA cannon with speed reduced to about 16 or 20.
From what I have read...they were at other landing sites that we are not incorporating into the map. I would say a battery of 3 off to the Axis East flank area a n victory flag and say 2 (or 1) around the beach area?LandMarine47 wrote:I'm sure it was the Operation SeaLion AAs (Can't remember name) and for those 4-6 152s depends where you place them either on the Beach or further inland
If anything I would think they would be around the coastal guns protecting themGottaLove88s wrote:Bofors was the Brit AA, but I guess you mean the SdKfz 10/4 flak, right?LandMarine47 wrote:it was the German Bofors AAs except with armor so infantry can't destroy it so easily.
Sure, we can chuck in a couple of those, but it wouldn't be realistic to up armour them, so a wise Kommandant isn't going to park them anywhere in range of destroyer bombardment...
Good Luck! Glad I'm not having to take test anymore...just having to help do my kids homework!GottaLove88s wrote:Thanks LM! Much appreciated... Am tied up with exam prep so can't get into that part just now...