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Re: AK Gazala line help...

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:00 pm
by timek28
Thanks Tarrak :)

As far as anti tank units go - I guess you are right. I had 2 anti tank units from the beginning of the Africa campaign so I basically didn't want to sell them. I only converted one of them into self propelled unit as stationary anti tank units are weak targets except entrenched PaK 8.8cm with artillery support (but that doesn't come until 44). I will keep these 2 anti tank units and I probably won't buy any new ones as they are useless against soft targets. I think 2 are just enough for special tank hunting missions and purposes. I also think they are cheaper then tanks, although not much. Regarding their usage I can add that in some phases of war they have better hard attack and initiative than regular tanks so that can be significant (Stug3F/8 HA15, PzIVG HA14 for example).

Regarding air core right now I have 2 fighters and 3 tac bombers. I sold my 87s in the beginning of Gazala. I could have upgraded them, but I didn't want them getting chopped in Gazala (which I won on DV and got 4000 prestige). Even with selling 87s I had troubles with low prestige during Gazala mission. It was an ugly air battle between my Bf109s, Bf110s and MC 205s and British airplanes. To my suprise I actually managed to get complete air superiority at some 23rd turn. Most of my planes however lost 4-5 strength points in processes, which is normal I guess. Right now my air core has 2 Bf109G, 2 Bf110G and 1 Breda. It is not much, but I had to increase ground core forces first. Next unit I'm going to buy is definitely going to be a fighter.

Gazala is place where I found out exactly what you were saying. Bf110Gs are a much better choice than Ju87. They are versatile, they can defend themselves and with fighter escort are at very good odds against British planes. They are great against British tanks in the open desert. They are especially effective if used in 1-2 punch manner, where 1-2 Bf109s attack British plane and Bf110 finishes it off. They can attack British transports and bombers very effectively on their own. Later on I can hopefully upgrade them to Me410 or Hs129 :)

Re: AK Gazala line help...

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:26 pm
by Kamerer
I second the thought on another fighter. I like to have one more than I think necessary. It provides the extra "kill shot" when an enemy fighter or bomber is left at 2 strength. Plus deploying it as such earns it "kills" and thus a hero bonus sooner. It is very sound strategy, it gets your extra fighters in early to earn them experience and kills to get them ready for later. That is important.

I disagree with Tarrak on AT units, though (in Afrika Corps, not in general). In PC and all the DLC's, there is not time to develop them, upgrade them, before the enemy makes them obsolescent. I do keep one to make a Ferdinand or tigerjager, though. But he is correct in those games, it is not the most effecient. But in AK, the timeline and progress is different. If you start out with PanzerJager II, you can put 200+ experience on it easily/cheaply, and use the gun effectively with artillery and such. Then sideline it until the III's are available. It's then useable until near the end and the jagdpanther is available. And it will have good heroes by that point. In vanilla PC, and East DLC's, I find little use for at units like tarrak said. But in AK, two of them can reap great rewards later. But Gazala is far too late to employ them I think. I play on rommel, which is 1/2 prestige points (though max experience gain), so I am tuned to maximum gain/minimum cost. Tip: if you have more tanks than artillery, rethink that!

I personally consider two Stukas de rigeour for a successful campaign. Once they are "R" or "D" variant, they have range and can just hang out outside of opponent fighter threat until needed. If you play well, and they have good hereos, making them HS 129s later works well. But if not, even "G" models are highly valuable until the end, despite the need for escort. They can one-strike kill or cripple any UK/US armor unit you can meet. Not true in East variants, but in west/AK very true.

Re: AK Gazala line help...

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:16 pm
by CrosbyBlair
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Re: AK Gazala line help...

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:38 am
by captainjack
I used to be very unimpressed by towed anti tank guns, and would convert them to Panzerjagers as soon as I could - even before buying any tanks. Now I have started playing on General I seem to spend more prestige on repairs so have had to get used to making do with cheaper equipment I otherwise wouldn't keep. I have found a 50mm 2* AT gun to be pretty good for disposing of most British tanks if it is backed with artillery (in East DLCs PaK 50s will defend against most T34's if backed by artillery). In AK I started putting a PaK50 amongst lines of infantry, and now I send it up behind my tanks which can pull back to expose the AT gun the following turn if they need a break (like when a Mark 1 cruiser takes 6 off my 3*** Panzer 3J by rolling lots of 90s). When allied tanks become stronger I plan to retire it until I can upgrade it to an Elefant.

I would like to use my 88 in more of a tank support role, but it is too busy shooting at pesky british planes to give my fighters a chance. I'm also still using the fast mobile AA unit rather than the Sdkfz7/1. It doesn't often do much damage but because of the speed I can almost guarantee it is able to protect something or to get close enough to shoot before my fighters head in. I would certainly agree that the SE fighter from Dash to the Wire is very helpful and that the 110 is a better choice than a stuka in AK, mainly because it doesn't have to be escorted all the time.