Slitherine

West Sudanese
Great Commander, two TC's and one Tuareg Ally TC
1 unit Avge Lf bow 6 stands
1 unit Avge LF Jls 6 stands
7 units Warriors Avge Bow each of 6 stands
4 units Tuareg camels Superior Light Lance Swd each of 4 stands
4 units of LH Avge Light Lance Jls
1 unit Cavalry Superior, Armoured Light lance, Swd 4 stands
All units unprotected other than the cavalry unit above
Hope this provides enough information.
John

I should get some time this weekend to drop some lists into the wiki on my site, including all my opponents from Roll Call and Britcon - if ayone wants to send me a list please feel free, as it is very easy to add them from excel spreadsheets

tim

Interesting nota: fisrt 10 places 10 different army (and 10 different players °_° )

marshalney2000 wrote:West Sudanese
7 units Warriors Avge Bow each of 6 stands

Bow is significantly underestimated. Although I have found a few 8s really handy as they don't take tests nearly as often. But less valuable versus mounted.

Did people try to attack you piecemeal or get on your flanks.

Usually the problem I see is that people are jsut stunned by that much infantry and attack piecemeal thinking its no big thing and next moment massive numbers of dice are being thrown at your little 4 base mounted and 6 base infantry.

hazelbark wrote:

marshalney2000 wrote:West Sudanese
7 units Warriors Avge Bow each of 6 stands

Bow is significantly underestimated. Although I have found a few 8s really handy as they don't take tests nearly as often. But less valuable versus mounted.

I didn't play John, but my analysis of massed bow armies is that their weakness is their vulnerability to enemy charging horse. Most bow armies either lack decent cavalry, or have bow-armed cavalry that is also at risk vs European charging horse.

John's army gets round this by matching (or overwhelming) the enemy horse with camelry.

Looking through the list books, I can only see one other army with massed archers and quality shock mounted, and that is Wallachian/Moldavian. This army could be very interesting in a ore-1570 tournament.

Looking through the list books, I can only see one other army with massed archers and quality shock mounted, and that is Wallachian/Moldavian. This army could be very interesting in a ore-1570 tournament.

I'm not to sure that that would be as viable. Earlier period games and the foot gets stouter. Bow is not really going to shoot at armoured foot.

What those big blocks of bow like shooting at are the AVG 6 paks.

I think its an interesting phase of competition play. The anachronistic matchups are providing the most exciting games. Somewhat ironically I think 'R' is working better in open tournaments right now.

list_lurker wrote:I'm not to sure that that would be as viable. Earlier period games and the foot gets stouter. Bow is not really going to shoot at armoured foot.

What those big blocks of bow like shooting at are the AVG 6 paks.

I think its an interesting phase of competition play.

I agree with this analysis. A keil if if can get 3 widths is happy to see bow.

hazelbark wrote:

list_lurker wrote:I'm not to sure that that would be as viable. Earlier period games and the foot gets stouter. Bow is not really going to shoot at armoured foot.

What those big blocks of bow like shooting at are the AVG 6 paks.

I think its an interesting phase of competition play.

I agree with this anyalsus. A keil if if can get 3 widths is happy to see bow.

Perhaps, but the bow army is likely to be huge and the keil army is unlikely to have more than 3 or 4 keils.

Richard's analysis is pretty much spot in that I did rely on my masses camels to keep mounted away from my bow. This worked pretty well with my camels generally defeating all the mounted they faced with the exception of one heavily armoured gendarmes unit.
Re keills I agree that if armoured they are not good targets for bows. My plan for this type of army was to maximise terrain - pretty likely with my PBI 4 and the filter the warriors through difficult terrain while my four light horse units danced in front of the pike. Generally pike keills do not enjoy strolling through wooded scenic landscapes or treacherous mountain slopes so my bow with it's 3 inch movement would be difficult to engage. I could then go light foot and baggage hunting. Might not kill his army but would probably be even more difficult to kill myself.
John

The kiels won't worry too much about the shooting and should go through anything they can reach in the open. But they'll lose some soft bits whilst that's happening. It's perhaps heading for a draw: the kiels can't catch enough but the Sudanese don't have an easy way to take down the Kiels.