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"One advantage for Austrian Grenz in skirmish formation is that they can move 6MU, as opposed to 4MU if they are not in skirmish formation."

All light infantry move 6". They don't have to be skirmishing.

Kevin

my thought is, turn 1 move them out so they are about 10 MU from the French or so depending how close you can get, in extended line. Pretty much puts them in a no double move zone since the Froggies move up 6 MU, start their second move within 4 MU of enemy so no double move, and extended line should slow down their offensive. Fall back about the same and do it again. by now your army is free to move and can start their own counter offensive.

Skirmishers in FOGN are more like dragoons in FOGR, they evade but can't interpenetrate without causing a test. so once the enemy gets close time to go back to 2 deep formation and then bugger off out back with them till you get a chance to occupy a building or perhaps move up on a flank where you can try to harass from the side lines. Other than that hard to tell how useful they will be.

viperofmilan wrote:"One advantage for Austrian Grenz in skirmish formation is that they can move 6MU, as opposed to 4MU if they are not in skirmish formation."
All light infantry move 6". They don't have to be skirmishing.
Kevin

Hi Kevin
That's what I used to think as well. However if you look at the movement table on page 35, it's pretty clear that is not the case.

a) Unreformed infantry move 4MU in tactical
b) Reformed infantry move 6MU in tactical
c) Any infantry in skirmish formation move 6MU

Light infantry are infantry (see definitions in rules). If their army list is of the "infantry units are Unreformed" type (ie Austrians), then this includes light infantry. They therefore move 4MU in tactical unless they are in skirmish formation.

I think I was getting this wrong in the past (and moving my Grenz 6MU in tactical - sorry opponents!) based on light infantry being able to skirmish fire, leading me to the incorrect assumption that this made them reformed.

Cheers
Brett

I agree with Brett's reading and with the reasons he gave. Furthermore, I'd add that when drawn up in close formation Austrian light infantry would be using the same linear tactics as their line infantry and would therefore have the same limitiations and advantages when moving that they do. So, for me at least, it makes sense from a historical perspective too.

Andy D

To clarify:
A unit of light infantry in skirmish formation can ALSO be in Tactical or extended line formation.
Being in skirmish formation only means that the unit is not formed up in its normal 2 to 4 ranks firing in volleys.
It can cover the frontage of a unit in extended line or in tactical formations. You get a choice of better coverage or more concentrated fire.

Terry, perhaps you could help me out with this one.

Attachments re-roll shooting as if they were drilled (unless attached to irregulars). Is the following correct for medium range shooting?

1. A skirmisher attached to a reformed veteran or conscript infantry unit does not re-roll its single 'additional' dice.
2. A skirmisher attached to a unreformed veteran or conscript infantry unit does not re-roll all 3 (4 if large) dice.

Ta
Brett

A unit of light infantry in skirmish formation can ALSO be in Tactical or extended line formation.
Being in skirmish formation only means that the unit is not formed up in its normal 2 to 4 ranks firing in volleys.
It can cover the frontage of a unit in extended line or in tactical formations. You get a choice of better coverage or more concentrated fire.
terrysField of Glory Napoleonic Moderator

and when do you choose ?

bahdahbum wrote:

A unit of light infantry in skirmish formation can ALSO be in Tactical or extended line formation... You get a choice of better coverage or more concentrated fire.

and when do you choose ?

The choice would be made in your movement phase when you decide whether your unit will deploy in skirmish extended line or skirmish tactical.

1. A skirmisher attached to a reformed veteran or conscript infantry unit does not re-roll its single 'additional' dice.
2. A skirmisher attached to a unreformed veteran or conscript infantry unit does not re-roll all 3 (4 if large) dice.

Correct.

The choice would be made in your movement phase when you decide whether your unit will deploy in skirmish extended line or skirmish tactical.

But it would be , if you want to move, a double move ( changing formation and move after )