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Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:03 pm
by philqw78
In a matched up way thats easier to see
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Period 1
1. Graham Unger Aztec, 1430 AD US
1. Richard Collins Sea People, 1300 BC ANZAC
1. Dave Ruddock Urartian, 713 BC GB
1. Carmelo Andrea Lo Moro Maya, 1100 AD Italy
1. Guy Daubagnan Mayan, 1301 AD France
1. Marco Quinta Neo-Assyrian Empire, 730 BC Portugal
1. Roberto Puebla Neo Assyrian, 730 BC Spain
1. Orlando Almeida Philistine, 799 BC Barbarian
Period 2
2. Marco Uloa Later Republican Roman, 105 BC US
2. Greg Jennings Later Selucid, 133 BC ANZAC
2. Graham Briggs Early Achmenid Persian, 464 BC GB
2. Massimiliano Marellacci Later Selucid, 133 BC Italy
2. Hubert Bretagne Later Selucid, 133 BC France
2. Ricardo Simas Later Republican Roman (Cassius), 42 BC Portugal
2. Carlos Garcia Alexandrian Macedonian, 325 BC Spain
2. Tim Porter Later Carthage, Hannibal in Italy, 215 BC Barbarian
Period 3
3. Dan Martz Sr Western Turkish (Khazar), 735 AD USA
3. Stephen Ladanyi Western Turkish (Khazar), 737 AD ANZAC
3. Phil Powell Former Yan Northern Dynasties Chinese, 352 AD GB
3. Stephano D’Addino Warring States Qn Chinese, 222 BC Italy
3. Christophe Sciangula Yi Dynasty Korean, 1389 AD France
3. Joao Espeical Western Hunnic, 440 AD Portugal
3. Juan Miguel Morillas Martí Tartar, Crimean Khanate, 1475 AD Spain
3. Miguel Mata Mongol Conquest, 1250 AD Barbarian
Period 4
4. Dan Martz Jr Free Company, 1415 AD USA
4. Simon LeRay-Mayer Later Medieval German, 1426 ANZAC
4. Ian Stewart Ordonnance French, 1481 AD GB
4. Francesco Berucci Swiss, 1476 AD Italy
4. Matthieu Abric Ordonnance French, 1481 AD France
4. Fernando Sousa Free Company, 1444 AD Portugal
4. Benito Martín Later Medieval Danish, 1398 AD Spain
4. Nuno Cordeiro Medieval German City Leagues, 1490 AD Barbarian
Scoring
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:07 pm
by philqw78
Can someone go over how the games and the tournament is going to be scored please. Its not the same this year is it?
Re: Scoring
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:59 pm
by dave_r
philqw78 wrote:Can someone go over how the games and the tournament is going to be scored please. Its not the same this year is it?
Do you never listen?
We are using a 30 point scoring system. This is similar to the normal tournament scoring except that all points due to kills are doubled and there is no five point bonus for breaking your opponents army.
Therefore, say player A loses 4 AP's out of a 12 BG army and Player B loses 6 AP's out of a 12 BG army. This would normally pan out as a 12-8, but with doubling the kills you would get:
Player A: Losing 4 out of 12 = keep 7 points and give 3 points to your opponent
Player B: Losing 6 out of 12 = keep 5 points and give 5 points to your opponent
Therefore Player A get's 7 + (2 x 5) = 17
Player B gets 5 + (2 x 4) = 13
A mutual destruction is still 10-10.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:46 am
by hazelbark
dave_r wrote:
Isn't one of the principal reasons the arse bandit's aren't there because you got a good kicking in your last game at the US Teams?
As usual your ignorance of the facts is astounding.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:33 am
by dave_r
hazelbark wrote:dave_r wrote:
Isn't one of the principal reasons the arse bandit's aren't there because you got a good kicking in your last game at the US Teams?
As usual your ignorance of the facts is astounding.
If it's usual how can it be astounding?
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:03 pm
by madaxeman
dave_r wrote:hazelbark wrote:dave_r wrote:
Isn't one of the principal reasons the arse bandit's aren't there because you got a good kicking in your last game at the US Teams?
As usual your ignorance of the facts is astounding.
If it's usual how can it be astounding?
The mere presence of ignorance may be entirely usual, however the sheer scale of it is always astounding ?
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:10 am
by petedalby
A mutual destruction is still 10-10.
Surely it should be 15-15? Otherwise won't it screw the points up?
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:36 am
by dave_r
petedalby wrote:A mutual destruction is still 10-10.
Surely it should be 15-15? Otherwise won't it screw the points up?
Possibly, but it opens the door for collusion. This was discussed at some length!
Re: Scoring
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:56 pm
by iversonjm
dave_r wrote:
Therefore, say player A loses 4 AP's out of a 12 BG army and Player B loses 6 AP's out of a 12 BG army. This would normally pan out as a 12-8, but with doubling the kills you would get:
Player A: Losing 4 out of 12 = keep 7 points and give 3 points to your opponent
Player B: Losing 6 out of 12 = keep 5 points and give 5 points to your opponent
Therefore Player A get's 7 + (2 x 5) = 17
Player B gets 5 + (2 x 4) = 13
Er, wouldn't that be Player B gets 5 + (2x3) = 11? Or did I miss something?
Re: Scoring
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:08 pm
by philqw78
iversonjm wrote:dave_r wrote:
Therefore, say player A loses 4 AP's out of a 12 BG army and Player B loses 6 AP's out of a 12 BG army. This would normally pan out as a 12-8, but with doubling the kills you would get:
Player A: Losing 4 out of 12 = keep 7 points and give 3 points to your opponent
Player B: Losing 6 out of 12 = keep 5 points and give 5 points to your opponent
Therefore Player A get's 7 + (2 x 5) = 17
Player B gets 5 + (2 x 4) = 13
Er, wouldn't that be Player B gets 5 + (2x3) = 11? Or did I miss something?
Thats possibly why I still don't understand it. Same as a mutual destruction should be 20-20. Each takes ten off their opponent which is doubled.
Or perhaps Dave doesn't understand it and we do.
Re: Scoring
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:00 pm
by dave_r
philqw78 wrote:iversonjm wrote:dave_r wrote:
Therefore, say player A loses 4 AP's out of a 12 BG army and Player B loses 6 AP's out of a 12 BG army. This would normally pan out as a 12-8, but with doubling the kills you would get:
Player A: Losing 4 out of 12 = keep 7 points and give 3 points to your opponent
Player B: Losing 6 out of 12 = keep 5 points and give 5 points to your opponent
Therefore Player A get's 7 + (2 x 5) = 17
Player B gets 5 + (2 x 4) = 13
Er, wouldn't that be Player B gets 5 + (2x3) = 11? Or did I miss something?
Thats possibly why I still don't understand it. Same as a mutual destruction should be 20-20. Each takes ten off their opponent which is doubled.
Or perhaps Dave doesn't understand it and we do.
We are all still trying to persuade Phil it's a good idea to look at his opponents army list prior to the game starting.
What chance do I have?
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:11 pm
by timmy1
I am aware that the ITC has a fine tradition of 'trash-talking' but it is usually reserved for ones potential opponents, not members of one's own team (how any team can accomodate both Powell and dave_r is beyond me but that is by-the-by)...
Are we seeing the establishment of a new tradition here?
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 pm
by philqw78
No we in team, just me, ta.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:54 pm
by zoltan
philqw78 wrote:So Mr Ladanyi, let me remember this. Those Khazar lancers, do they get off their horses just like German ones?
Sorry about the delay in replying Phil but I'm just emerging from a rose tinted haze of Rioja and sherry in Spain (cue Olé olé olé olé etc). Yep Danni Snr and I will be dismounting big time against you!E
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:57 pm
by dave_r
timmy1 wrote:I am aware that the ITC has a fine tradition of 'trash-talking' but it is usually reserved for ones potential opponents, not members of one's own team (how any team can accomodate both Powell and dave_r is beyond me but that is by-the-by)...
Are we seeing the establishment of a new tradition here?
Watch it mallett or you'll be next. We have lots of ammunition.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:25 pm
by hazelbark
timmy1 wrote:I am aware that the ITC has a fine tradition of 'trash-talking' but it is usually reserved for ones potential opponents, not members of one's own team (how any team can accomodate both Powell and dave_r is beyond me but that is by-the-by)...
Are we seeing the establishment of a new tradition here?
Given last year where Dave Rubbish sulked off to sleep early form the bar because he needed to be rested. I think there is very little loyalty among GB.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:19 am
by hazelbark
30-0 as described that gives double points for enemy losses and no +5 for army break.
This was what was voted on.
so yes a 20-20 is possible.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:49 am
by hazelbark
Note all Captains have been emailed the score sheet. I will upload the scoresheet to the yahoo list.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:22 am
by philqw78
timmy1 wrote:I am aware that the ITC has a fine tradition of 'trash-talking' but it is usually reserved for ones potential opponents, not members of one's own team (how any team can accomodate both Powell and dave_r is beyond me but that is by-the-by)...
Are we seeing the establishment of a new tradition here?
Well I've already been called a bloody Pommie by Richard Collins today.
I always thought he was of dubious paternity. Now confirmed as he is in the ANZAC team.
Re: International Team Challenge - Lisbon - 1/2 Sept 2012
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:26 am
by philqw78
zoltan wrote:Danni Snr and I will be dismounting big time against you!E
I already have a cunning plan. It involves more beer, a flank march, a difficult river and a piece of impassable terrain.