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HBalck wrote:I play only my own Campaigns and scenario projects - for all other I have no interest - thats all to low and unhistorical.

H.Balck

So you don´t like playing campaigns, because you never made one.

Back to topic:

I would prefer:
Spanish Civil War
A British campaign. Maybe hard to do, because you need to loose in the beginning of the war

How about a campaign of the Russian Civil War involving the Czech Legion, its armored trains, The Czar's Gold and the Trans-Siberian Railway from Ukraine to Vladivostok?

DMPTeam wrote:

HBalck wrote:I play only my own Campaigns and scenario projects - for all other I have no interest - thats all to low and unhistorical.

H.Balck

So you don´t like playing campaigns, because you never made one.

First of all, it is off-topic and second gentlemen, keep it civilised.

I made thoughts about that already. If it will be made than only as a little, "tutorial" campaign, like the first one in the Italian Campaign 0.62 (Elba) - there were not many soldiers/units involved.
In that way it is not easy to modell it in PC-size because units mostly represents divisions or at least regiments.

There is the Yugoslavian operation which was also not a big one (from Hungarian side) so it would make not much sense to make many tiny scenarios (with pre-war vehicles)... I will see.

AugustinMalar wrote:@Uhu

I think it would be nice as a first scenario.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak%E2% ... garian_War

flakfernrohr wrote:Bebro, I think a New Guinea Campaign would truly be great. The possibilities of it are tremendous. The US, Australia, Japanese had a horrendous time there. Beside jungle there are mountains that are so narrow and steep you cannot stand on the side or top of them. In many situations they were impossible to pass over. You have rivers, Ocean coast lines, beaches, native villages, air battles. Much of New Guinea was completely without roads and unexplored by white men. The Japanese left their troops there and sailed off to fight another day. The Japanese left there eventually resorted to cannibalism. It was just a hell on earth for the troops. And it is a BIG island and strategic in the Pacific campaign.

Then you have SE Asia, Burma, India, etc. American, Australian, Ghurka, Indian, British, Japanese and some Chinese troops involved. Also strategically important. Then you have the Phillipines, Liberation of Hong Kong, Okinawa, the Russian invasion of Manchuria against the Japanese army there. There is a lot more war besides Europe and I am certainly a devoted fan of anything involving the Eastern Front.

Oh yes, these would all make good campaigns. I also thought recentlya Korean War campaign would be nice, there is still lots of WWII equipment in use, but also some interesting new stuff, like all those early jet aircraft.

I'm surprised to see that there are no scenarios of the African campaign. Lots of possibilities if Rommel had is way.

I actually would like to see a what if:

Stand at Stalingrad succeeded,,but Wehrmacht unable to conitue offensive until mid '43

Hitler had not delcared war on America in 41,,but does so in '46 after Russian collapse

Germany still mired in war in Russia and America finds out about deathcamps and declares war after beating Japan in '46-47.

Hitler is killed........Germany surrenders to Allies,but Russia doesn't honor surrender and attacks everybody

Stalin attackes Germany in '39 during Poland ,,Britain/France fearfull of communist victory make peace w/ Germany and offer token help.

D-day fails,,full weight of Wehrmacht brought to bear on Russians again in late '44 early '45(minus units in Italy..of course or Allies pushed out of Italy after Overlord failure)

Something along those lines.

The African campaign but from the Allied side.

airbornemongo101 wrote:I actually would like to see a what if:

Stand at Stalingrad succeeded,,but Wehrmacht unable to conitue offensive until mid '43

Hitler had not delcared war on America in 41,,but does so in '46 after Russian collapse

Germany still mired in war in Russia and America finds out about deathcamps and declares war after beating Japan in '46-47.

Hitler is killed........Germany surrenders to Allies,but Russia doesn't honor surrender and attacks everybody

Stalin attackes Germany in '39 during Poland ,,Britain/France fearfull of communist victory make peace w/ Germany and offer token help.

D-day fails,,full weight of Wehrmacht brought to bear on Russians again in late '44 early '45(minus units in Italy..of course or Allies pushed out of Italy after Overlord failure)

Something along those lines.

I like the what if's. New flavor.

In response to this thread, I was going to mention my pet project which I have been working on for my own private use. It is a slow process since I am no guru or whiz kid with a computer and Panzer Corps. As I began to write the response, I thought what the heck, I will just share what my brainstorm consists of and if I am an idiot for working on it, I will find out from the forum!

Actually I made 22 large related maps of a campaign I will sooner or later develop when I get the time (and most of all) the expertise. I wanted a theoretical campaign that could realistically fit into the scheme of the historical context of the war and not some science fiction campaign like the invasion of America. I like to fight on the Eastern Front anyway. I got this idea when I scored a decisive victory over the British and USA in Battle of the Bulge. Some damned German General came on the computer and told us to go home. All the faithful units I had nurtured and enjoyed were all disbanded and sent home!. There was no more war to fight because on the way I had won Bagration, etc. Hell, I still wanted to fight somebody and so did my units!

My fantasy project started as four large maps for a Post Kursk Victory campaign for Germany whereby Von Manstein's Operation Backhand (which was shelved due to Citadelle) for the retaking of Rostov and the Black Sea coast with a thrust back to Stalingrad and the Volga was instituted. I continued it from a victory North East up the Volga to Gorky (Nizhny Novogorod), Kuybyshev (Samara) and Kazan. This would have essentially demolished the Russian armor and fighting forces on the plains of Southern Ukraine and South West of Stalingrad, east of Moscow and would have facilitated the taking of Moscow by Army Group Center in the late summer of 1943. This would pave the way to the Upper Volga, The Urals and some of Siberia. From the east bank of the Volga they would proceed to take Penza, Ufa, Sverdlosk, Orenburg, Nziny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk and Tankograd factories, etc. It would be a long campaign because of the distances, land area, climate and seasons. The seasons east of The Volga toward the Urals, Penza, Ufa, etc. are short summers and so there would be a great deal of fighting in wet and snowy weather.

The four maps were divided for better use of PzC's AI and model into smaller maps and they all tie together in a series of each big map for one strategic area of Russia, Ukraine, Moscow, East of Moscow to the Volga, and from there to The Urals and the capture of Tankograd. The years covered are the balance of 1943, 1944, 1945-1946. It has winter scenarios and summer and fall scenarios. The last scenario ends with the capture of Stalin in his bunker in a remote area by the lower southern Ural River adjacent to the wastelands of Northern Kazakhstan. I then further planned a thrust through to Baku from Rostov, Millerovo and Stalingrad and also an invasion of Iran by way of the Ural river as it flows southward to the Caspian Sea. On route the forces from Rostov and the Don River join forces for the campaign to Baku and the oil fields of Iran. I have not made those maps yet.

I had planned on Hitler becoming so insane and mentally unstable from Syphillis he is deposed or assassinated by the German General Staff. This includes Hitler's closest henchmen who oppose the General Staff and stand in the way of the coup. At that point the true capacities of the collective military skills of the German General Staff make much of this future possible to achieve. They are committed to defeating communism and remain galvanized together in the war effort. Other countries which were reluctant allies begin to contribute more to this campaign in the way of material and arms. Soviet armament production is captured with lighting thrust battles like in the old days and these weapons become equipment for the Wehrmact on the way to The Urals. New weapons also become available to the Germans and Soviets in the ensuing battles such as improved armor, ammunition, bombs and infantry weapons. Which of course paves the way for the use of jets and the paper Panzers of the Germans that never saw battle and some of the post war Soviet arms like later IS series tanks, etc.

The Soviets are still very strong and very dangerous, but they are walking/reeling backwards on their heels like a stumbling boxer. Each winter they rearm so a winter offensive is necessary to keep them off balance in preparation for spring, summer and fall offensives. The Allies in the West are held at bay because Russia is stumbling and cannot continue to contribute to the effort against Germany keeping it off balance. This allows the war materials production in Germany to catch up and even exceed old production which was evident in the real war history. Tank production increased, but losses on the Eastern Front depleted them faster than they could be replaced and it was the same with man power, raw materials and resources. All conjecture and fantasy, but theoretically it would support a campaign to the Urals and be more realistic than invading North America by Germany! And besides, in my post Kursk Victory series, The Western Allies have made peace with Germany since they do not want to prolong the war any more, wish to fight only Japan and they too have come to fear the Russians thanks to Churchill's uncanny sense of the future of Europe. There is a line of demarcation drawn along the Rhine and the Germans give up all claims in Western and Northern European Countries. Additionally Germany ceases to prosecute or continue the persecution of many of the people in concentration camps which eases Allied consciences allowing them to make peace.

These scenarios all play out planned for continued victory until you reach the 22nd scenario and capture Stalin. I had planned on making a map tree for the defensive scenarios a person might be routed to if they lost a scenario. In these "default" scenarios the Germans fight a totally new defensive battle in Moscow, Minsk, Baltic States, Ukraine and so forth but a decisive victory puts them back on the path to The Volga, The Urals and Tankograd. If they won in any of the defensive battles they would go back to the offensive scenarios and continue until complete victory over Russia and elimination of its armed forces or their own annihilation.

Cool,,,sounds awesome

You should release it

flakfernrohr wrote:In response to this thread, I was going to mention my pet project which I have been working on for my own private use. It is a slow process since I am no guru or whiz kid with a computer and Panzer Corps. As I began to write the response, I thought what the heck, I will just share what my brainstorm consists of and if I am an idiot for working on it, I will find out from the forum!

Actually I made 22 large related maps of a campaign I will sooner or later develop when I get the time (and most of all) the expertise. I wanted a theoretical campaign that could realistically fit into the scheme of the historical context of the war and not some science fiction campaign like the invasion of America. I like to fight on the Eastern Front anyway. I got this idea when I scored a decisive victory over the British and USA in Battle of the Bulge. Some damned German General came on the computer and told us to go home. All the faithful units I had nurtured and enjoyed were all disbanded and sent home!. There was no more war to fight because on the way I had won Bagration, etc. Hell, I still wanted to fight somebody and so did my units!

My fantasy project started as four large maps for a Post Kursk Victory campaign for Germany whereby Von Manstein's Operation Backhand (which was shelved due to Citadelle) for the retaking of Rostov and the Black Sea coast with a thrust back to Stalingrad and the Volga was instituted. I continued it from a victory North East up the Volga to Gorky (Nizhny Novogorod), Kuybyshev (Samara) and Kazan. This would have essentially demolished the Russian armor and fighting forces on the plains of Southern Ukraine and South West of Stalingrad, east of Moscow and would have facilitated the taking of Moscow by Army Group Center in the late summer of 1943. This would pave the way to the Upper Volga, The Urals and some of Siberia. From the east bank of the Volga they would proceed to take Penza, Ufa, Sverdlosk, Orenburg, Nziny Tagil, Magnitogorsk, Chelyabinsk and Tankograd factories, etc. It would be a long campaign because of the distances, land area, climate and seasons. The seasons east of The Volga toward the Urals, Penza, Ufa, etc. are short summers and so there would be a great deal of fighting in wet and snowy weather.

The four maps were divided for better use of PzC's AI and model into smaller maps and they all tie together in a series of each big map for one strategic area of Russia, Ukraine, Moscow, East of Moscow to the Volga, and from there to The Urals and the capture of Tankograd. The years covered are the balance of 1943, 1944, 1945-1946. It has winter scenarios and summer and fall scenarios. The last scenario ends with the capture of Stalin in his bunker in a remote area by the lower southern Ural River adjacent to the wastelands of Northern Kazakhstan. I then further planned a thrust through to Baku from Rostov, Millerovo and Stalingrad and also an invasion of Iran by way of the Ural river as it flows southward to the Caspian Sea. On route the forces from Rostov and the Don River join forces for the campaign to Baku and the oil fields of Iran. I have not made those maps yet.

I had planned on Hitler becoming so insane and mentally unstable from Syphillis he is deposed or assassinated by the German General Staff. This includes Hitler's closest henchmen who oppose the General Staff and stand in the way of the coup. At that point the true capacities of the collective military skills of the German General Staff make much of this future possible to achieve. They are committed to defeating communism and remain galvanized together in the war effort. Other countries which were reluctant allies begin to contribute more to this campaign in the way of material and arms. Soviet armament production is captured with lighting thrust battles like in the old days and these weapons become equipment for the Wehrmact on the way to The Urals. New weapons also become available to the Germans and Soviets in the ensuing battles such as improved armor, ammunition, bombs and infantry weapons. Which of course paves the way for the use of jets and the paper Panzers of the Germans that never saw battle and some of the post war Soviet arms like later IS series tanks, etc.

The Soviets are still very strong and very dangerous, but they are walking/reeling backwards on their heels like a stumbling boxer. Each winter they rearm so a winter offensive is necessary to keep them off balance in preparation for spring, summer and fall offensives. The Allies in the West are held at bay because Russia is stumbling and cannot continue to contribute to the effort against Germany keeping it off balance. This allows the war materials production in Germany to catch up and even exceed old production which was evident in the real war history. Tank production increased, but losses on the Eastern Front depleted them faster than they could be replaced and it was the same with man power, raw materials and resources. All conjecture and fantasy, but theoretically it would support a campaign to the Urals and be more realistic than invading North America by Germany! And besides, in my post Kursk Victory series, The Western Allies have made peace with Germany since they do not want to prolong the war any more, wish to fight only Japan and they too have come to fear the Russians thanks to Churchill's uncanny sense of the future of Europe. There is a line of demarcation drawn along the Rhine and the Germans give up all claims in Western and Northern European Countries. Additionally Germany ceases to prosecute or continue the persecution of many of the people in concentration camps which eases Allied consciences allowing them to make peace.

These scenarios all play out planned for continued victory until you reach the 22nd scenario and capture Stalin. I had planned on making a map tree for the defensive scenarios a person might be routed to if they lost a scenario. In these "default" scenarios the Germans fight a totally new defensive battle in Moscow, Minsk, Baltic States, Ukraine and so forth but a decisive victory puts them back on the path to The Volga, The Urals and Tankograd. If they won in any of the defensive battles they would go back to the offensive scenarios and continue until complete victory over Russia and elimination of its armed forces or their own annihilation.

This would be a fantastic campaign to play. Don't be afraid to try just because you feel your not experienced. There is only one way to learn and that is to try. You may find that you have a talent. The fact that you're interested in making a campaign shows you have a desire to add and create to this great game.

flakfernrohr wrote:In response to this thread, I was going to mention my pet project which I have been working on for my own private use...

It's sound not only a campaign but a story for a book. But I like gameplay with story and charakter (Like Half-Life). It will show out how it can be interpreted in the game. I'm sure that the briefings will have a big role in it - to tell the story.

AgentX wrote:I'd like to see some Allied campaigns. A Russian campaign like Panzer General III had or an American campaign like in Allied General. As much as I like playing as the Germans, I wouldn't mind some variety. Plus, when playing a Russian or American campaign, it can be more historical and accurate since they were the ones to win the war.

Would there be any interest in this project?









Thanks to Bebro for the japanese units.
Thanks to Kerloc for the russian units.

Suggestion, feedback = welcome as usual

You don't stop?
Are you addicted?
I want!

I would be very interested!!!!

Nice idea - but your units dont have the same style !!!

H.balck

So what? Unfortunately we don't have many modellers.
And not all people like to cooperate and share their models. So it's what we have.
Besides I don't think, it looks bad. It's quite acceptable to me and to most people standards.

HBalck wrote:Nice idea - but your units dont have the same style !!!

H.balck

Once again he reveals why I think he's a putz

Btw H.balck , I tried the Modern War demo.....................

Look at the bright side ,,at least he's (h.balck) not accusing everybody that makes a new model of stealing his work anymore

nikivdd wrote:

AgentX wrote:I'd like to see some Allied campaigns. A Russian campaign like Panzer General III had or an American campaign like in Allied General. As much as I like playing as the Germans, I wouldn't mind some variety. Plus, when playing a Russian or American campaign, it can be more historical and accurate since they were the ones to win the war.

Would there be any interest in this project?









Thanks to Bebro for the japanese units.
Thanks to Kerloc for the russian units.

Suggestion, feedback = welcome as usual

With the Russian and Japanese icons now available thanks to so many generous and talented members, I think this would be a wonderful mod.

It is realistic in a historical context as well. Russia invaded Manchuria after declaring war on Japan very late in the war so that Stalin could get a grip on part of China, Korea and whatever else his tanks could roll over. He had been prodded by the British, Aussies and the USA to do this for some time after the victory in Europe. He did not need much to get him started and of course he had forgotten the friendly assurances Japan had given him in 1941 that his Eastern Borders with China were safe from invasion AND that they would not declare war on Russia as they had Great Britain and America.

The Soviets attacked with tremendously superior strength (2:1 or more) in men and armor, artillery and airplanes. The Japanese had a standing army of approximately 1 million soldiers, sailors and airmen in Manchuria and Northern China. These troops were fresh, rested and well supplied having sat out the worst part of the war in that area. They were run over like a bunch of road kill. Stalin has his way with them and continued rolling the unstoppable Russian juggernaut into Northwestern China even several days after the Peace Armistice was signed on the deck of the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay. He only stopped when the other allies raised hell with him for not stopping! But of course it didn't matter to Stalin or Mao who he was trying to aid as well. He did get the northern half of Korea, Manchuria, Mongolia and a large chunk of China under his control. And who knows what he was thinking after bearing witness to the atomic bombs dropped on Japan so recently.