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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:49 pm
by dave_r
grahambriggs wrote:Let me see...
We have two dullards using boutique Roman armies trying to out cheese each other. No doubt for an upcoming competition.
I neither confirm nor deny this unfounded allegation.
One weasels an advantage, forgetting that his opponent will charge the flank next bound anyway.
Didn't forget at all. If one takes the time to look closely at where the troops will be following expanding to make overlaps and who will conform to who and such like it just might be the case that no flank charge is possible
. One of the things you notice about better players is they notice this sort of thing. Or to put another way, up yours Briggs.
Ruddock is bound to get a rule right eventually, since he throws out interpretations like confetti.
It's only that I am inevitably proved right after six months of discussion
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:42 pm
by titanu
grahambriggs wrote:Let me see...We have two dullards using boutique Roman armies trying to out cheese each other. No doubt for an upcoming competition.
One weasels an advantage, forgetting that his opponent will charge the flank next bound anyway.
Ruddock is bound to get a rule right eventually, since he throws out interpretations like confetti.
Graham you are wrong:
I had REAL legionaries in mine so it was more upmarket chain store.
It was NOT two dullards it was a dullard and a dunderhead!!
There was no weaseling just squidging and squirming.
Ruddock does not throw rule interpretations out like........
Oh perhaps you are right after all!
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:31 am
by gozerius
petedalby wrote:From what I can see you did it correctly.
The yellow interceptor moves forward up to 2MU in an attempt to get between the blue charger and their intended target.
Looking at the distances involved, this would still appear to allow the blue charger to wheel to contact both the yellow interceptor and its declared target.
So the blue charge is not cancelled and IMO the middle unit (the one being charged by the blue shoulders) may not intercept as it is still the target of a charge.
Your scenario does highlight a wrinkle in the current intercept rules. Where the interceptor is on the flank, but is not in a legal flank charge position, it may not be able to get in the way to effectively intercept the charger.
Inevitably others will disagree
For an intercept to occur, the BG wishing to intercept must cross the path of the charger. If it can't there is no intercept.
The charger can never alter its charge path and direction in response to an intercept. It must proceed along the original path until it contacts the interceptor. In this case, as the charger is in a one base wide column, he halts on contact. There is no additional wheel. The initial target of the charge is a target at the beginning of the intercept phase and is ineligible to intercept.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:41 am
by imanfasil
gozerius wrote:petedalby wrote:From what I can see you did it correctly.
The yellow interceptor moves forward up to 2MU in an attempt to get between the blue charger and their intended target.
Looking at the distances involved, this would still appear to allow the blue charger to wheel to contact both the yellow interceptor and its declared target.
So the blue charge is not cancelled and IMO the middle unit (the one being charged by the blue shoulders) may not intercept as it is still the target of a charge.
Your scenario does highlight a wrinkle in the current intercept rules. Where the interceptor is on the flank, but is not in a legal flank charge position, it may not be able to get in the way to effectively intercept the charger.
Inevitably others will disagree
For an intercept to occur, the BG wishing to intercept must cross the path of the charger. If it can't there is no intercept.
The charger can never alter its charge path and direction in response to an intercept. It must proceed along the original path until it contacts the interceptor. In this case, as the charger is in a one base wide column, he halts on contact. There is no additional wheel. The initial target of the charge is a target at the beginning of the intercept phase and is ineligible to intercept.
Gozerius is correct. If the BG cannot interpose itself into the charge path then it is not moved forward at all. The Charge path is declared ahead of interception charges, so if there is a way to declare the charge where it cannot be intercepted you can do that at the time of the charge, but it cannot be altered once the intercept has been declared.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:38 am
by grahambriggs
dave_r wrote:grahambriggs wrote:Wind up
blah
And then they show their hand for such competition by posting their weaselings on t'internet
so that all the other competitors can see what they're taking.
Wind up apart, one i didn't fancy the Roman period for Warfare as i suspect there'll be a lot of the boutique lot there. so I've gone into Dawn the Chav - no doubt that will be full of Italo Norman grit and air
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:51 am
by philqw78
grahambriggs wrote:so I've gone into Dawn the Chav - no doubt that will be full of Italo Norman grit and air
Must have missed that one. I thought it would be full of Spanish Muslims. More air, than Grit. What can Italo Normo's have?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:59 am
by philqw78
Gordon conveniently posted his Italo Norman for everyone to see on one of the mailing lists. It didn't seem very airy. 3 BG of LF. Whereas those effete Fantastic Burpers get about 9 BG of LH and 6 BG of LF. If you see Cid tell him.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:56 pm
by hazelbark
Which goes to prove that the GB tournament scene is morally destructive to the hobby.
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:13 pm
by dave_r
hazelbark wrote:Which goes to prove that the GB tournament scene is morally destructive to the hobby.
But still miles better than the american one :p
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:32 am
by titanu
hazelbark wrote:Which goes to prove that the GB tournament scene is morally destructive to the hobby.
Americans preaching about morality? Isn't that like Herod preaching about child care?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:07 am
by philqw78
hazelbark wrote:Which goes to prove that the GB tournament scene is morally destructive to the hobby.
Gordon posting his list for all to see shows how morally superior the UK tournament scene is. Gordon knew noone would take advantage of seeing it.